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#1 Posted : 6/18/2013 12:54:29 PM

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For a while now, I've been wanting to experience the powerful psychedelic effects of DMT. And that should be happening soon, as long as my extraction goes as planned this weekend.

Trouble is, all I know about the chemical is how to extract it from the plant. My only structure of knowledge on this topic I received in AP Chemistry in highschool. Besides many people's word, I don't have any knowledge in the chemistry of this extraction to be sure that it will even work. Since I may use different fluids, different materials, different mixing methods, and the likes, from the publisher of the guide I will be using, I may receive different results from him/her, and that worries me. I'd like to learn how the whole process works, including:
โ€ข How the naptha works to defat the solution
โ€ข How the naptha doesn't also pull out loose DMT during a defat/Does it?
I'm looking for an article that explains all of this so I can be more secure that I won't be wasting time/materials. Does anyone have a website like this, or their own answer to my questions?

And before you suggest I look at the wiki for these questions, link me to the article that answers them, that's what I'm looking for. I've already checked the wiki.
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#2 Posted : 6/20/2013 12:11:23 AM

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#3 Posted : 6/20/2013 12:21:31 AM

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Hiya,

Welcome to the Nexus!

Just a note, be sure to poke around the forum and the WIKI a bit before asking questions.

A good place to start would be reading every single extraction TEK on the WIKI. Many times the authors explain the processes in terms of chemistry. The photos are helpful too.

For beginners, I recommend Cyb's Tek.



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#4 Posted : 6/20/2013 12:30:09 AM

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wearepeople wrote:
Hiya,

Welcome to the Nexus!

Just a note, be sure to poke around the forum and the WIKI a bit before asking questions.

A good place to start would be reading every single extraction TEK on the WIKI. Many times the authors explain the processes in terms of chemistry. The photos are helpful too.

For beginners, I recommend Cyb's Tek.



G'Luck!


Is there a beginner's guide specifically for Acacia Confusa?
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#5 Posted : 6/20/2013 12:40:39 AM

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From Cyb's Tek:
Quote:
The tek may be suitable for extracting from other organic materials, such as acacia although only some information on yields or success rates so far.



Also from the wiki:
If you're having trouble getting crystals from acrb, use this tek


Please read before asking more questions. Thank you.

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#6 Posted : 6/24/2013 4:19:55 AM

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#7 Posted : 6/24/2013 5:17:52 AM

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โ€ข What role the caustic soda plays in the reaction
โ€ข How the DMT molecules get pulled into the naptha
โ€ข How freezing the naptha solution crystallizes the final product

I can only answer these 3.

1- Caustic soda aka lye, is a base so it is the agent that converts the DMT molecule into freebase form. Freebase DMT is what you need to make the molecule active when vaporized.

2-The solvents used in extractions are Non Polar Solvents aka, NPS. When something is dissolved, molecules of the solvent arrange themselves around molecules of the solute. They pull the DMT out of the solution of basified DMT by its polarity of the electric field surrounding a charged particle immersed in it. Kind of how a magnet attracts certain metals.

3- At higher temps NPS become more soluble and are able to hold more of the DMT molecules. When the temp is lowered the solubility of the NPS is decreased and can no longer hold onto the DMT so it precipitates out forming tiny crystal particles. Another way to decrease the solubility is to evaporate the NPS. As there becomes less solvent the DMT will precipitate out along with other fats and alkaloids. Use evaporation for full spectrum DMT. This is what gives some dmt the brilliant yellow color. Freeze precipitating will give you a more pure DMT freebase with less fats and other actives. I personally prefer full spectrum yellow dmt over white crystals.

Below is my last extraction of very beautiful full spectrum DMT freebase. You can see how different it looks compared to purer whit DMT crystals.

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#8 Posted : 6/24/2013 5:35:02 AM

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olympus mon wrote:
โ€ข What role the caustic soda plays in the reaction
โ€ข How the DMT molecules get pulled into the naptha
โ€ข How freezing the naptha solution crystallizes the final product

I can only answer these 3.

1- Caustic soda aka lye, is a base so it is the agent that converts the DMT molecule into freebase form. Freebase DMT is what you need to make the molecule active when vaporized.

2-The solvents used in extractions are Non Polar Solvents aka, NPS. When something is dissolved, molecules of the solvent arrange themselves around molecules of the solute. They pull the DMT out of the solution of basified DMT by its polarity of the electric field surrounding a charged particle immersed in it. Kind of how a magnet attracts certain metals.

3- At higher temps NPS become more soluble and are able to hold more of the DMT molecules. When the temp is lowered the solubility of the NPS is decreased and can no longer hold onto the DMT so it precipitates out forming tiny crystal particles. Another way to decrease the solubility is to evaporate the NPS. As there becomes less solvent the DMT will precipitate out along with other fats and alkaloids. Use evaporation for full spectrum DMT. This is what gives some dmt the brilliant yellow color. Freeze precipitating will give you a more pure DMT freebase with less fats and other actives. I personally prefer full spectrum yellow dmt over white crystals.

Below is my last extraction of very beautiful full spectrum DMT freebase. You can see how different it looks compared to purer whit DMT crystals.



Thanks that helped a lot, I'll remove those bullets. That first answer also answered another quetion of mine, if you could theoretically ingest all the root bark to feel the effects of the DMT inside it.

Which of course I wouldn't attempt, eating a bunch of tree bark, lol
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#9 Posted : 6/24/2013 5:40:31 AM

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DMT in the MHRB isnt active orally unless you take an MAO inhibitor, or MAOI, with it. Thats what ayahuasca vine is and why dmt becomes active orally. Without inhibition the MAO in your gut metabolizes the dmt and you do not feel the effects.

Edited to add- But if you do take an MAOI you only need between 2-5g of mhrb tea for a very strong trip. Some take up to 8-10g but most people get strong effects with just a few Grams.

So please don't eat all your bark with an MAOI, lol.
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