Thoughts? - http://www.rehabs.com/explore/busted/#fb2

I love how the marijuana arrest/bust rate is decreasing, this is good I feel, I have no bias on any drug but I do feel more so than other drugs anything that grows naturally should be totally up to the person ingesting if they feel comfortable taking it, of course if they do something stupid while on the substance they should still be held accountable. But natural things, should be our own agenda to seek consciousness alteration, I'm glad my state is finally considering medical marijuana as a side note, its not legal but better than being busted for a plant.

Being natural doesn't make a chemical more or less safe than other chemicals. I don't see why being "natural" makes a chemical more or less moral to ingest. Nature is as much an enemy as a friend. Man-made things are always designed to benefit humans, whereas objects manifest in nature often have the effect of killing us... poisonous berries and floods, for example.

But anyways, it's great to see culture relaxing its historically harsh view of marijuana. We are lucky to live in such times.

Again I said I'm not biased and posed it as my opinion only, I don't judge others for the drugs they do in fact I was once curious about seeing my friend shoot up "H" just so I could have the experience of witnessing it I've done pills, I've done E, molly I've taken tussin I've done a lot of man made things, in fact I'm currently researching 4-aco, 25i-nbome and etizolam over the last few weeks but as of now these aren't illegal so they are technically irrelevant. Like I said just my opinion LOL.

First, I do not see why you need to make a difference between natural and non-natural. It makes no sense, it only causes false bias and for your information: cocaine and heroin are both derived from a natural source too.

It is funny that you post this as your 'opinion', but in truth that is just a disguise for a theory of yours and as such you should explain this theory and give credible sources to support your claim. I could give as my 'opinion' that the earth his flat but that would not have a place on this site.

Please understand this well, we want reliable information on the DMT-Nexus and as such you should backup your claims with logical thinking and reliable sources. If you cannot do that then please do not post such theories of yours.


Second, I'm missing alcohol in this picture. I'm pretty sure that there are more alcohol related arrest per year than all the others combined.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

The picture diagrams drug busts, who gets busted for making moonshine anymore?

I mean nothing bad by asking this, but am very curious as to the cause of the bad vibes here?
I just feel I missed something here, I don't want to make the mistake myself as I already make plenty

Small note here, heroin is not natural, it's synthetic, though morphine, from which it is made, is found in poppy.

Not sure what got trav riled up so much, I think maybe it's something that already happened before, or maybe a misunderstanding.. im sure he means no harm.

I'll check out the statistics tomorrow.

Be well all

In my opinion I have trouble seeing where the line is drawn with "natural" and "synthetic" drugs. For example, lots of people would say LSD is a natural drug because it comes from poppy seeds and ergot, although there's a lot of chemistry that goes into that to make it semi-synthetic.
Then again, people say crystal meth is a completely unnatural and synthetic drug, but even it is derived from pseudophedrine, which is found in certain plants and fermented yeast.
Heck, we even alter DMT with salts and MAOIs. Where can we fairly draw the line on natural and unnatural?

Which part of my opinion would you like explaining and like another asked I don't understand the maybe misinterpreted anger here? Did I not say I have no bias nor will I judge based on others? I just said out of ALL DRUGS in general NATURAL ones should be something we should be able to seek out and use without gov't intervention. Synthetic man-made ones I guess depending on the situation have a right to be "patented" per se and there for prescribed only, but natural derivatives of plants, or plants themselves should be only based on the user and again I noted one should still be held accountable for their actions no matter what the drug they ingest. In a perfect world there would be no drug law other than. "Hurt another life, or its property then face a crime" however I would prefer to have only naturals legalized over what we currently have now as far as drug laws go. At least this is a start I'm sorry if I offended you? But I don't see how can you point out the exact thing I said to justify raging on me? With all due respect Trav, it just again seemed unwarranted maybe I didn't fully document my idea of this properly. And if this is the case I'm sorry but I truly do not understand what you're trying to get at. I did point out my lack of bias on drugs I've done synthetic drugs, and natural drugs, I've done A LOT. I truly don't have a bias, I just think out of ALL THINGS natural substances we can find or grow on our own should be legal to us, if you figure out how to create a drug great, if you can use it responsibly especially if it helps mankind or yourself through a tough problem even better, but there is always a difference between use and abuse, and SOME drugs are obviously unfortunately in the clear spectrum of abuseable drugs with little medicinal value that has been proven AT THIS TIME not to say they won't have a use in the future I think everything is given to us for some reason, compared to other safer compounds. But again I don't claim to know everything about every drugs, so even that last statement in blue maybe incorrect. I'm just saying point out what I said to offend you and I'll gladly justify or correct my statment/wrongful input.

this statement is quite contradictory , at first you mention you have no bias , yet you go on to say anything natural should be ok and upto the person , why should'nt everything natural/unnatural be ok and upto the person

i believe that is what The Traveler is referring to



again you seemed to have made the same contradictory statement , you say you have no bias yet you state "Synthetic man-made ones I guess depending on the situation have a right to be "patented" per se and there for prescribed only, but natural derivatives of plants, or plants themselves should be only based on the user"

do you see the flaw in your reasoning ?

having no bias would mean , that its upto the person what to do and natural is as good as synthetic and vice versa

The Traveler is only encouraging you to drop these false biases and have more freedom with your reasoning

I do see that flaw Jin, thank you for point this out. I guess I'm not accurately stating what I'm trying to say and I may not be able to do so this post will be another attempt to do so in more detail and hopefully fixes the situation I put myself in with this thread.

I'm trying to say I have nothing against anyone who uses certain substances, but I myself wouldn't personally partake in some. I believe yes it is the right of the own individual to place whatever they want into their body HOWEVER they wish regardless of ROA, but should be held accountable if they are acting like a nutcase in public or hurting others or their property, I'm not trying to say I suppose any drugs should be illegal, just that I see why if someone "discovers/synthesizes" a new drug they should have the right to patent it just like any invention but at the same time this leave little room in the chemistry field for others to explore I suppose, it would not be cool to be slapped with a patent suit because you accidentally synthesized an already patented chemical one day. Then again I also feel the federal government should have no right to interfere period, and the state should have very little if any say as well. Its ALL UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL. I'm also trying to say that for instance as the nexus always points out they are against manufacturing a substance in an apt building or house of someone who doesn't know whats going on due to potential threats to the unbeknownst individual, I can see where the law can come into play here I know if someone in my apt was creating meth or something and I had a child and i found out fumes were leaking into my place I'd be furious and I'd want something done about it, would I care if they were ingesting no? But if they were making it in a dangerous and unsafe way, without proper precautions to anyone and everyone who could potentially be threatened by it then some type of law needs to be put in place to regulate SAFE USAGE NOT ABUSE. However on the opposite side say I'm walking through the woods and I find a mushroom patch/Marijuana field and ID it myself and its not on anyone's property so I'm not stealing, whats the harm in me going home and ingesting this substance OUTSIDE of the public eye with as many safety precautions taken as possible. Again In the bare minimal terms all I'm stating is drug use should be legal for those that wish to partake. However LIKE alcohol you should be held accountable for damages you cause to another life/property/liberty of another being, such as DUI, DUI is so vague Driving under the influence, can be expanded to fit all drugs, however some can't necessarily be field tested for or proven. But regardless irrational/dangerous behavior is nothing to blame on a drug you willingly put it into your body, you should have researched it and any potential outcomes, and known your source you got it from to ensure its the correct chemical(I'm not trying to bring up procuring drugs either to avoid any other slap on the wrist this can be taken as you will, but keep in mind as we all know you can obtain drugs from a plant which is also a source not just a person), psychotic rage/murder/rape anything again to damage another beings life liberty or property, is not something to be washed away with a claim of temporary insanity due to drug use. We all know certain chems effect everyone different. And we all know looks a likes can be easily passed off, this is all I'm saying I guess know your chem know your body/mind, and do them safely if you use, don't abuse. If this doesn't fix whatever issue I brought up then I don't know how to word it any other way I truthfully am not trying to be biased it is my opinion and I'm not stating anything I say as fact, and this thread is kinda going off topic now though. I figured there would be some insight onto the link I posted not a bashing of my opinion but if this is getting out of hand please delete the thread as a whole. I never intended to hurt anyone's feelings or change anyone's believes. So hopefully this sums up what I'm trying to say cuzz I have no other way to really explain my thoughts on the matter.

yes i agree , this is the reason why i trip alone now , as many people seem to go crazy

personally i agree with you and also believe people should not be persecuted for drug possession or drug consumption , rather as you point out the law should only persecute them if they do something harmful

yet perhaps it will be like this someday (hopefully)

Absolutely everything in this reality is natural The only difference between things are the causes and effects. When deciding what to legalize and not, what to be taken into account are the objective properties of course. But yeah, having substances that are from what we call nature legalized would definitely be a great step forward from what we have right now.

Personally I think all drug substances should be legalized/decriminalized, Portugal style. Any addicts should be able to go and get anonymous help at specialized clinics without worrying about being persecuted. At the same time there should be completely 100% open information and taboo-free discussion, leading to responsible use and the useless/bad drugs being shunned. Because with an overview of all information laid out infront of people, there's a lot more of a clear distinction of right and wrong since deductive reasoning is a made lot easier. I can see a society where for example cannabis is fine and cocaine is "uncool". This would eliminate the black market, steer people off the path of self-destruction and remove unnecesary persecution. Both freedom of the individual and the betterment of society are fully taken into account.

Just putting that out there, maybe I'm preaching to the choir. Here's an article on Portugal's drug decriminalization: http://www.spiegel.de/in...ears-later-a-891060.html

People DEFINITELY still get busted for non-taxed liquor - y'all must never have spent much time in the ozarks or appalachia! Ever heard of the U.S. agency known as the ATF? Stands for Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms. They make sure the gov't gets its full share of the loot when it comes to these three commodities, and come down HARD if you are found to be selling these three things without permits or taxes. This happens ALL THE TIME in the area I am from - we have a huge excise tax on booze and tobacco, over a dollar, but ALL the surrounding states have MUCH lower taxes - as low as $0.17 per unit - so needless to say there are a ton of "tobacco smugglers" as the papers call it. The ATF/local LE don't usually bust people doing it just personally or even selling tax-free cigarettes from home - it's almost always businesses like gas stations near the border that get busted.

So yeh, it still happens.

Oh, and ever heard of strychnine? Totally natural and (according to some) actually a decent nicotine-like stimulant. But it will kill you deader than a doornail! But I don't think the OP was REALLY moralizing between natural/synthetic - even though it kindof sounded like it.

the real test of this would be to take, say, natural extracted mescaline and then 2 weeks later synthetic mescaline and see if there was any difference.


P.S. good to see cannabis busts going down.

Uh yeah, natural synthetic whatever, the only thing i have to say about that besides "just say mo' "is to endless, why do you say heroin is synthetic? Diactyl morphine IS derived from the poppy gum, just a little more "refined" its pretty much the same with cocaine, and dmt, and coffee. I'm just curious if my understanding is incomplete.
Anyway, this map is cool, but I think there's a lot of data missing from the set. In the northwest, Portland has the highest per-capita heroin use rate behind Manhattan. There should be a lot more represented here. There also seems to be a lot of marijuana days missing from the pnw as well, them though busts here are in the decrease in the wake of legalization and medical use legislation.
I'm just sayin, south Florida also appears to have fallen into the sea.
Now, will y'all be nice to each other, roll some methylone with some pot and smoke it
. Jeez.

There is no heroin in poppies, it is manufactured.

I know that heroin does not appear in the poppy, its basically morphine AB acetate.
Obtained through an acid/base/salty extraction.
Don't worry, I'm not defending the substance, but my understanding of a synthetic as opposed to an extracted alkaloid has to do with whether there is a soup of precursors our not.
Meth is synthetic, dmt fumarate isn't, but is similar to heroin as far as process goes.
You get my thinking?
Didn't mean to hijack this thread ( that's already happened)

Legalise it all, let God sort it out. (or atleast spend the subsequent tax dollar proceeds on education, harm reduction and healthcare).

Oh man, make at shirt!