Hey all. I was thinking about the spice and popular conceptions of it today. One of the major pieces of hear-say I often come across is that DMT, when vaporized will allow you to see 'impossible' things, like new colors you couldn't ever imagine before, or higher-dimensional shapes. (Terry Pratchett makes an excellent joke about shamanistic entheogens in 'The Light Fantastic' when a travelling apprentice watches five sided triangles pinwheel through is field of vision.)

Has anyone ever seen anything like that? I'm not talking about the ineffable, spiritual things, but rather, visuals that would be impossible to draw (or create a pigment of).

The closest I've ever gotten is the first time I smoked, whereupon I found myself in a 4-dimensional universe and able to think in the extra dimension.
Of course, the experiences have all been hugely awe-inspiring and revelatory, but if you were to remove all that, the visuals themselves, while beautiful, could all be, conceivably drawn out (if I was a decent artist, and could remember them right).

Peace
~ND

Yeah

Its hard to dilute multidimensional visions into 2D in any kind of way that does it justice

And its not just that i'm seeing them visually. They're often experienced in a state of synesthesia where all the senses blend together in a river of all at onceness. That can't be captured by a drawing

Hi ND, well I have 'seen' things that I find hard to describe because they were so weird.....
Bicycle people, who had what looked to be flesh and real, yet had wheels where legs should be, flying around the scene, peddling.

Colours that were hard to decribe, sort of, were they colours or were they not ? I have seen crystal clear 3D clarity I would find impossible to draw.

For me, taking DMT is like being a 2gb thumb drive being plugged into a HUGE mainframe computer. But I can only bring back a small memory of it (ie. 2gb). The after glow of which is like having the taste in my mouth of food I ate days ago.... yum yum.

Happy travels ND
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not really ,

I have definitely seen colors that don't exist in our reality, and also color that was colorless yet all colors all at once, I've seen in every direction at once as if I was an atom with eyes at every point of my being (definitely impossible to draw let alone see without the minds eye), among a few other experiences I'd say that yes there is definitely a form of IMPOSSIBILITY in the DMT space, however the impossible is only impossible until we figure out a way, flying was once impossible. But now millions do it daily.

Here's my thread on the colors and here's one in which the entities explained with thorough demonstration the multidimensional geometry shifts. Many of my experiences have the extra dimensional factor, and it is one of the more beautiful tantalizing parts of the experience. The interesting thing is that what they told me reflects the way I've heard it described since that hyperspace lesson. They were telling me that the way they "do it" is by moving parts of the object out of the visible foreground into a "behind-the-scenes" background as it shifts part of the hologram out of the hidden background into the foreground. Apparently as I've read since then, these mutlidimensional shifts are accommodated by "folding the geometry into the higher dimension/plane which is juxtaposed to the previous at 90 degree angles.

One of my earlier experiences where I saw it for the first time was with these 3 4-5D pharaohs interdimensionally folding through each other such that the various aspects of their faces/bodies became the opposite parts of the others...which probably isn't explaining it completely accurately. My avatar is a drawing I did where I used the computer and layering to help me try and duplicate it on the 2D plane.

I think the closest you can come to creating something like that yourself is with computer 3D rendering. People seem to be able to do pretty well with the "regular" multidimensional shapes like the tesseract and penteract and such, and this makes sense because the math is all well in place, and so programming algorithms to make these things tick doesn't seem to be too much of a problem. However, I've yet to see it implemented in a representational way as hyperspace tends to like to do it, as with the pharaoh example. In this video you can see how to use 90 degree angles to represent the higher dimensions on a 2D medium. This is a rather beautiful ones going through to some of the higher dimensions, and finally there's the E8 which is an 8 dimensional regular polytope which has some intriguing implications in itself by representing atomic particles and their formations. I find the E8 to be particularly accurate at displaying the multidimensional geometric movement of free-floating hyperspatial holograms, but the E8 is a bit "cluttered" whereas hyperspace would tend to be more neat and representational/referential to some degree.

Sometimes when I see this geometry form before my open eyes, it's clear to see the dimensional transitions where a 2D pattern on the will then get a 3D texture before finally breaking free of the wall as a 4D hologram which can then continue to proceed through the dimensions as my focus and attention allow it to develop and flourish. I sometimes can clearly see any number of dimensions stacked in front of each other at the 90 degree angles like "stops" of planes. When I've examined some physical holographic laser etched items in my house, I've noticed that this is how they work too. It is through the shifting in perspective that creates that hallmark multidimensional shifting/folding that is so visually perplexing. I could go on and on, but I think I'll leave it here for now

My changa experiences always induce massive synesthesia, so I don't consider anything I experience in hyperspace to be 'visuals.' In fact it's not just synesthesia but the experience is also experienced through a sense that doesn't exist in everyday life (the third eye). I don't really 'see' anything in my trips, see seems like the wrong words, I can never tell if my eyes of open or closed in the trip because it all explodes outwards from inside and strips away the ordinary role of eyes or any other sense as all this energy pores through every orifice. There are incredible, beautiful intricate worlds but i don't see them, I am them. Plus the visual side is inseparable from the feeling of awe. So I don't think it can be captured on paper, even theoretically.