Hi all,

I'm getting questions in chat so here's a picture:



From left to right:



Jar Left: base percip. How did I find out the base would percip? well, I was filtering rue. It takes a long time for the base percip to happen.

Jar Middle: I siphoned off the liquid of the first Manske.

Jar Right: The 2nd Manske with percip. Its kind of difficult to see in the picture, its in a half sphere shape at the bottom of the jar.

Edit: I have no idea if this will provide active compounds. It is just an experiment currently.

Better picture of Jar Right:

is this what i think it is?

Here are more details about what I did:

first off, It was fresh San Pedro cactus that had been cut about 2 months ago. It sat around in room temperature unattended during that time. I cubed the cactus and boiled it, spines, core and all.

1) Follow Kash's Tek until step 4. (Apparently I didn't do step 4 correctly because it still had color. This whole thing might just be cactus junk that didn't get filtered off due to frustrations with filtering in general. Rue ruined filtering for me.)
2) Allow Based solution to sit for 7+ hours
3) Siphon liquid off and leave percip at bottom (Jar Left)
4) Heat vinegar/water and add to base percip until noticeable color change
5) Manske--Add salt saturated water
6) Allow to sit so percip forms (about an hour)
7) Place in Freezer so percip settles even more
8*) Siphon liquid off percip (Jar Middle)
9) Repeat Manske

That's all I've done so far. More results to come!

Hopefully its active!

what do you think it is? currently, I have no idea what I think it is. lol.

I could really use some help finishing up this experiment:



After the 2nd Manske, I siphoned off the top layer of water/vinegar/salt solution. The remaining percip is a grey color. But because the percip is somewhat aqueous, I couldn't siphon it all.

Then I decided to evaporate the remaining water. So its in a pyrex dish evaporating currently.

Sooooo, if there is mescaline in the dish, what do I do to remove the remaining salt? I read the sticky thread by Infundibulum "Mescaline Extraction and Cactus Yields" and saw that salt contamination is a prevalent problem with mescaline extraction.

Well, because this was a Manske, salt contamination will be a problem.

Already in the dish it looks more like salt than mescaline.

Will methanol dissolve only mescaline acetate? Will it dissolve the sodium chloride (salt) as well?

Will vinegar contamination be a problem as well? In other words, does vinegar fully evaporate?

Any and all input/advice is more than welcome!


Thank you!

Edit: Another thought I had for removing most of the salt would be to follow the "remove NAOH, salt, ect" step from this. I think it would have to be repeated a number of times because the percip never quite solidifies nicely at the bottom of the container.

Edit 2: I get the distinct feeling I'm making the cleanest, purest, cactus-snot the Nexus has ever seen.

Cool looking experiment. So you are making a reduced tea and then doing a rue type vinegar/salt extraction? It probably will work to some extent atleast, though not sure how readily the mesc acetate would fall out of solution. Surely there will be salt contamination and possibly plant impurities, but still sounds like a pretty easy method if it works. Interested to see the results.

Hot methanol only partially dissolves mesc acetate I believe, and salt is also slightly soluble in methanol so might not be the best way of seperating. May be able to re-x with combinations of acetone, IPA, and/or methanol. Re-A/b would work.

First off, I finally finished the harmalas! yay!





ok, since the last post here's what I did:

siphoned off acidic liquid
based with sodium carb
siphoned off most of base solution
evapped base solution in the sun (highly sodium carb contaminated)
scraped up tray (2.17g white-tan powder)
put in jar
added anhydrous acetone
shook like crazy (the majority of the stuff I scraped up did not dissolve)
let settle for 1 min.
poured into evap tray
scraped tray

I was left with a light tan powder, 1.6 g.

Hi all,

So I finally got around to trying the "extract" from this experiment, nothing exciting to report.

T=0. 0.250g mixed into water, drank it. Good mood, excited
T+10 nothing yet
T+20 nothing yet, slight slowness in perception. Considering upping dose
T+30 +0.150g on tongue, salty taste, feeling tingly. Excited or real?
T+55 nothing noticeable so far, slight change of perception still riding on
T+75 +0.250g, slightly different head space than normal
T+ 2hr45min, feeling the experience is lacking

Overall, with 0.650g nothing noticeable happened. Dose too low? Nothing of interest in the "extract"? I do not know. I'm not really sure this is worth experimenting with more.

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