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snorting DMT Fumarate.. dosage? effects? Options
 
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#21 Posted : 4/1/2009 11:58:02 PM

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Try putting some freebase DMT under the tongue and compare that with DMT fumarate under the tongue. The freebase DMT burns like hell, the DMT fumarate doesn't burn at all. Pretty much anything you snort is going to irritate your nose though, even something as benign as sugar irritates the nose, at least that’s how it is for SWIM.
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#22 Posted : 4/24/2009 7:58:08 PM

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~70 mgs insufflated DMT freebase
Burn was bad, but SWIM has DEFINATELY put worse up his nose.
Beautiful experience that was very, very euphoric and much more integrateable than smoked.
Lasted a good bit longer as well.
Definately will do again.
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#23 Posted : 5/20/2013 9:15:28 AM

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kaos.underwave wrote:
For some reason I couldnt weigh up the dose properly so we just split ~600mg up into 4 lines, snorted 1 each, waited 45 mins or so, took another each....

Nice fine white powder but horrible acid burn. I only noticed it for about a minute before coming up, and then forgot about it.
It was good stuff, but nothing as intense as freebasing, a lot slower and gentler. I'd say ~150mg fumarate = <50mg freebase. Seemed a bit shorter than freebasing as well, but went really nicely with Sigor Ros, and the 10 or so cans of fosters I had beforehand.

I'm saving the rest till I can try the oral theobromine/harmala/dmt combo Smile
And I'd definitely recommend the MAOI route to anyone planning to snort...to help reduce the amount of dmt fumarate as small as possible. I cant imagine what snorting freebase is like if its meant to be worse...fumarate feels like my nose is being dissolved!


I've only gotten minimal effects from snorting freebase, like I can't muster the courage to do what I know is going to cause me immense pain, so I only wound u[ snorting like 15-30 mg lines at a time for about 30mins to 1 hr until I feel something, once I think I railed about 60-70MG at once and it was just overwhelming burning, I was euphoric, but I couldn't stop crying, which made me laugh more, due to the ridiculousness of the experience. Definitely need to try some fumerate next time then never again with snorting it I think, If anyone is curious about trying DMT freebase intranasally my suggestion is to dab your finger in a small pile of it, get a small bit on your finger stick that to your nostril cover the other one and inhale, you get a small taste of the burn. But keep in mind it amplifies alot by minor additions.
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#24 Posted : 5/23/2013 12:17:02 AM

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TOXSIN wrote:

I've only gotten minimal effects from snorting freebase, like I can't muster the courage to do what I know is going to cause me immense pain, so I only wound u[ snorting like 15-30 mg lines at a time for about 30mins to 1 hr until I feel something, once I think I railed about 60-70MG at once and it was just overwhelming burning, I was euphoric, but I couldn't stop crying, which made me laugh more, due to the ridiculousness of the experience. Definitely need to try some fumerate next time then never again with snorting it I think, If anyone is curious about trying DMT freebase intranasally my suggestion is to dab your finger in a small pile of it, get a small bit on your finger stick that to your nostril cover the other one and inhale, you get a small taste of the burn. But keep in mind it amplifies alot by minor additions.


My one experience snorting freebase was probably the most excruciatingly painful thing I've ever done drug-wise. You're not missing anything by not snorting it.
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#25 Posted : 5/24/2013 12:43:25 AM

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Nathanial.Dread wrote:

My one experience snorting freebase was probably the most excruciatingly painful thing I've ever done drug-wise. You're not missing anything by not snorting it.


Yea, my experience with the snorting, was... quite overwhelming in the nasal drip.. I was way out of it, but the pain overrode just about everything, all I could do was sit and hold back tears trying to bear with it hoping 'just 5 more minutes'.
 
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#26 Posted : 6/5/2013 2:27:40 PM

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This is an old thread, but since it got bumped... I will set the record straight.

Snorting DMT works... and it works well. It is among my very favorite ROAs.

Does it burn? Sure, but if you know what you are doing you can eliminate this entirely.

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Here once again, is my infamous COCO Tek For Insufflation Of DMT:

1) Take your dose of DMT and place in a small shotglass.
2) Mix with enough mildly hot water so that 1 drop will equal 20 mg spice.
3) Add a touch of vinegar to convert freebase to acetate (not needed with salt spice)
4) Add a few drops of COCONUT CREAM (not oil, not water)
5) Mix thoroughly and suck it up into an eyedropper
6) Drop the drops into your nostril while inhaling to spread them over a larger surface of your nasal mucosa.

That's it folks. No burn, and a painless route into deep hyperspace. The end product should be like 15mg per drop. The longer duration than vaped spice makes this a rather attractive ROA.

NOTE: You can go ahead and add harmalas to this tek if you want to potentiate the spice further... longer effect and less DMT required. Be warned that with enough harmalas, insufflated spice can last a long time and be more like Aya than anything else.

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I am seriously considering adding this to the Wiki or something because every few months, this topic comes up and nobody seems to know the tek. I have mentioned it on the Nexus on a number of threads and in chat a bunch, but people still seem to think that snorting spice will have to hurt. FALSE.

Try this tek and report back. If you remember to use COCONUT CREAM, you should get fabulous results. I purposefully left out precise measurements because people prefer different ratios. Some might want more cream, esp if you use more vinegar to make sure the freebase is all converted. Don't make it too watery, and you will avoid the drip... but to be honest, the drip from Coco Spice is not bad at all.

There you go... have fun and be safe.

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#27 Posted : 6/6/2013 4:48:32 AM

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Thanks for that HF! Really useful actually. Take away the singe of insufflation and add the prolonged effects (versus smoking) & intranasal is certainly looking like a much more attractive route.

Tonight I tried maybe 15mg insufflated and people weren't joking, it BURNS. Worse than anything I've ever tried, and can't say I'm proud of some of the stuff that's gone up there!

But the coconut cream is delicious, I have to try this tek because after chillin in the Land of Smiles for a few months .. the coco cream happens to be one of my favorite things in the world ! Thanks again
 
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#28 Posted : 6/9/2013 6:23:02 AM

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toxic8 wrote:

Tonight I tried maybe 15mg insufflated and people weren't joking, it BURNS. Worse than anything I've ever tried, and can't say I'm proud of some of the stuff that's gone up there!


Lol yea, from my experience I did '10mg' as a tester, and didn't think it was all that bad (certainly wasn't pleasant). When I did 80mg it seemed like the drip became exponentially worse. Certainly something I don't care to ever repeat, of course I was stupid and did it with freebase.

Hyperspace fool's idea here is something I think I must try within the next few months.. Many thanks, hopefully this doesn't burn to bad! Smile You certainly should consider adding it to the wiki, I've never seen that suggested until you.
 
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#29 Posted : 6/9/2013 3:48:52 PM

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I went ahead and added the tek to the wiki.

It really does work. You may have to play with ratios a bit to find your sweet spot, but it has been burnfree for me since day 1 with this technique.

All the best
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#30 Posted : 6/9/2013 5:37:58 PM

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^^^ Link it HF....

Oh wait...HERE it is...

Right between Insufflation and Anal...

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#31 Posted : 6/9/2013 5:46:01 PM

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Does this mean I can add my rectal insufflation tek!?

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#32 Posted : 6/9/2013 5:56:20 PM

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Does this mean I can add my rectal insufflation tek!?
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Ahh yes...the much overlooked 'sniffthebutt' tek...Add away my man...Big grin
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#33 Posted : 6/9/2013 8:16:47 PM

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Hyperspace Fool wrote:
I went ahead and added the tek to the wiki.

It really does work. You may have to play with ratios a bit to find your sweet spot, but it has been burnfree for me since day 1 with this technique.

All the best
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HF,

Thanks for the info, I'll be trying this method soon. A few questions:

How long do the effects last for you, and what dosage would you suggest to equal 20mg vaped?

What brand of coconut cream do you use? Is it Aroy-D? That seems to be the only one available online without additives etc. Do you consider that to be of any importance?

And is there any reason you couldn't use coconut milk instead of coconut cream? Apparently the only real difference is water content, unless there are added stabilizers and emulsifiers, which appears to be common. I don't know if that would be a plus or minus... your thoughts?
 
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#34 Posted : 6/10/2013 9:47:52 AM

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^^ Ziggus

I realized now, that a previous attempt to elucidate this method had been linked to the wiki already, but I think the version in the wiki now is the authoritative version.

The answers to your questions are somewhat relative and arbitrary... depending alot on whether harmalas are involved or not.

But with pure DMT, I would say you can expect to be high for 30 min to 90 min depending on amount and whatnot. Dosage varies wildly with this ROA. Some people, myself included, can get very nice effects from very low amounts. A decent vape dose of 25mg is enough for me to feel aya level effects when insufflated properly. BUT, many people don't feel a thing unless they snort well over 100mg. For this reason, my tek makes 15mg drops or so, and allows you to ramp up slowly and find your sweet spot.

We may all have slightly different levels of MAO in our system, some of us may be hard heads... and some of us are just so familiar with hyperspace, that a tiny nudge in that direction is plenty to send us spiraling into the infinite.

Thus, more so than with other ROAs, insufflation is not cut and dried in terms of dose. That said, if you want the effects to mirror vaped DMT, you do need more than your vape dose. However, the beauty of insufflation for me is the ability to land in a space that is between Aya and vaped DMT. And for this, you don't need so much... especially not if you are adding harmalas.

As far as type of cream... whatever you get will be fine. You are only snorting a tiny tiny amount of it. I guess milk would work perhaps, but it is just cream that is watered down, and thus less concentrated. You wanna keep this tek fairly concentrated, so if switching to milk causes you to lose the high concentration it will defeat its purpose and give you a lot of drip. Stick with the thickest and purest cream you can find IMHO.

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He shoots he scores!!!! Awesome HF, thanks for sharing this. Ive been wanting to use this ROA for a long time but my nose is very sensitive and snorting things makes it clog up entirely for days so Ive been avoiding it.

It sounds a lot like the effects of IM. have you used dmt IM before? If so how does it compare?
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#36 Posted : 6/10/2013 10:37:27 AM

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He shoots he scores!!!! Awesome HF, thanks for sharing this. Ive been wanting to use this ROA for a long time but my nose is very sensitive and snorting things makes it clog up entirely for days so Ive been avoiding it.

It sounds a lot like the effects of IM. have you used dmt IM before? If so how does it compare?


IM is superior. (in terms of potency and speed of comeup)

But not everyone wants to make that leap. I don't fear needles, and like IMing certain drugs... but I would still tend to go with Insufflation over IM in general because you have to be rather careful when you IM. Old dirty needles and lack of attention can lead to nasty infections...

And this ROA is so wonderful and painless.
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Thanks for the info, HF!
 
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