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DMT recently dicovered in the Pineal gland of live rats Options
 
AtomicChronic
#21 Posted : 6/4/2013 3:12:54 AM

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great responses guys, pretty thought provoking. I was always somewhat bugged by how many people took Rick Strassman's pineal theory as fact. i thought the idea was plausible and would explain alot, but all we really knew was that DMT is in our bodies for one reason or another.

then again, that book came out some time ago. i'm really hoping that DMT and psychedelic research become part of the discussion again after this find, i have a feeling that things are going to get pretty interesting soon.

who knows, maybe our kids will be learning about DMT in schools someday. Big grin Rolling eyes
 

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#22 Posted : 6/4/2013 3:15:57 PM



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AtomicChronic wrote:
great responses guys, pretty thought provoking. I was always somewhat bugged by how many people took Rick Strassman's pineal theory as fact. i thought the idea was plausible and would explain alot, but all we really knew was that DMT is in our bodies for one reason or another.

then again, that book came out some time ago. i'm really hoping that DMT and psychedelic research become part of the discussion again after this find, i have a feeling that things are going to get pretty interesting soon.

who knows, maybe our kids will be learning about DMT in schools someday. Big grin Rolling eyes


I've actually seen in mentioned in two different required textbooks before, and although no formal discussion on it specifically was ever done we did discuss psychedelics several times in a few of my classes Thumbs up



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#23 Posted : 6/4/2013 3:25:44 PM

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a1pha wrote:
universecannon wrote:
This is an internet forum, not a peer reviewed journal Wink

This is an internet forum which upholds the pillars of science and reason. Wink

Speculation about these things is fine, of course, as it is in science, as long as logical connections are made. If x then y speculations based on facts and evidence are wonderful to discuss and a good form of mental masturbation. Let's just be sure to state things correctly, such as:

Valid: "If DMT is shown in the pineal then what evolutionary purpose would it serve?"
False: "What caused the evolution of DMT in the pineal?"

The latter statement assumes DMT has already been shown in the pineal.


my mistake , that is more of what i was trying to ask Big grin im just not the best with words
 
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#24 Posted : 6/4/2013 4:19:55 PM

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Of course there is still the chicken and egg question which is far more interesting to me than the DMT pineal connection.

Is the brain a:

1. receiver of consciousness
2. generator of consciousness.
3. both a receiver and a generator of consciousness.

Right now materialism is only seeing it as a generator of consciousness. However I believe we can indeed show that even with materialism as our grounding rod that our brains are BOTH receivers and generators of consciousness. You are in fact receiving my stream of consciousness as you read this.





i agree , it seems silly when we talk about consciousness and not accept that one needs to be conscious of something

all our five senses are always consuming input from the outside and so consciousness does infact exist outside as we are receiving this continuous stream of sights, sounds , taste, smells and feelings actually from the outside

the brain serves as a true consciousness generator only in dreams , not in reality

in reality there is a conscious stream of information that we consume directly with our five senses , if all the senses were lost there would be no consciousness and one would be presumed dead or comatose or something

how materialists come up with the theory that the brain is a consciousness generator is totally illogical

if the brain was the consciousness generator than i would just dream of more DMT , wildest riches and women along with my palace and my brain would instantly generate that

its not logically possible for the brain to be a consciousness generator when what we are conscious of lies outside the brain , the brain is only a receiver and having our five senses receiving input all the time is proof enough for me

fact or fiction , i don't know , yet i would appreciate if anyone could bring a better logical and scientific theory why they think the brain is a consciousness generator when all proof points the other way

i like proof , i believe in facts and the facts tell me that 5 senses are our input channels to the great source and brain is basicly like taking this information and constructing our world view , when these connections are mostly off as in sleeping then only it generates anything

where does one come up with the brain generating consciousness theory is outright illogical , perhaps as some people say the world is an illusion believe it more than i do .......as people who believe its all an illusion subscribe to the philosophy that the brain is generating all this and thus its an illusion , infact they are grossly materialistic

truth exists free of all this speculation and one can find it in the sunlight , the human mind does'nt create the sunlight it only observes it , all this is from the divine source itself .....all this is the divine source itself ...............

edit : so perhaps it is both a receiver and generator in some way

receiver when awake and generator when we are asleep , yet mostly a receiver i guess

eitherway the materialistic assumption that its a mostly a generator fails terribly
illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
 
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#25 Posted : 6/4/2013 8:43:27 PM

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So far the research has only stuck to lab rats or have studies on other animals taken place?
~We have been to the moon, we have charted the depths of the ocean and the heart of the atom, but we have a fear of looking inward to ourselves because we sense that is where all the contradictions flow together.~
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