Im a bit confused when it comes to phalaris genetics. I see poeple saying you can buy seeds because the plant will have a different alkaloid profile and what not.

Does this apply to aq1, and what if you buy an established aq1 plant and it produces seeds? Can these be used to grow new plants with the same genetics or does it have to spread by root systems.

afaik cloning is necessary to retain genetics.
so yes, it applies to aq1

brachystachys breeds true from seed.

..seed grown phalaris aquatica var aus. is known to produce plants with the same profile as the parents..I do not know about aq1. I doubt anyone even bothered to test it.

Phalaris arundinacea Turkey red was observed to breed true from seed also by appleseed if I remember correctly. I dont think the same was true of big medicine.

I am not entirely sure I believe the whole thing about having to clone grasses anymore. It might be true for some strains/species but certainly not all of them.

If you want seed..get brachystachys or phalaris aquatica var aus. Those are the ones that are pretty well known to grow out the same profile from seed.

I would get those, but i like to know the chemical profile of any plant im ingesting. And endlessness hasnt tested those plants yet, thats why i trust aq1 so much. Because he did gcms on it.

brachystachys has been tested and has a clean profile. benzyme found DMT and gramine at a ratio of 10/1 and thats it. Others found some 5meoDMT also. No other weird alkaloids. All of the grasses seem to have some gramine and it is easily removed. The aus var of aquatica is a select high alk strain sold within the entho community for that reason..and nen888 has worked with an extract of it and claimed it was very clean and clear feeling.

ALl of these grasses were being used in the 90's and there is info on all of them in the ayahuasca analogue issue of the entheogen review. There is really no reason to assume right now that any of these grasses are dangerous to ingest. Both gramine and hordenine were sold at one time as supplements without any complications.

what about sheep staggers?

i do think we can move past gramine and hordenine.

sheep staggers is due to a bacteria on the grass that produces ammonia. The sickness is from the huge ammount of ammonia ingested by the sheep when they graze on the fresh grass.

but would this not be present on phalaris prepared for oral ingestion?

i don't think i would want to drink ammonia...

Jamie, it is genetically wrong to say that a plant "breeds true" from seed; even in self pollination (which can easily happen in phalaris) the produced seeds will be different from each other and potentially with quite different alkaloid profile - at least in theory.

For all practical purposes, since a grass patch most often involve many seeds, the differences among each individual will cancel each other out so on average the alkaloid profile of a harvest will be very similar to the parent(s). For single plant genetics, cloning is the best bet for identical progeny genetics but then again this is not coming with an 100% guarantee (which thing does anyway?)

appleseed found all of the wild phalaris in the region where turkey red(might have been yugo red) was collected to have the same alkaloid profile. I dont think the same was true of big medicine. I guess we will find out at some point becasue I know another long time member and mod here is growing out seeds harvested from the turkey red strain.

Aquatica and brachys do not have such a broad chemotype spectrum as arundinacea. It is far more likely that you will end up with little varriation when working with those 2 species.

Arundinacea from different areas can end up having very different alkaloid profiles. Just look at what my wild grass came up containing compared to other clones. Yet, brachystachys based on all bioassays I have read and TLC(except for yours) seems to contain mostly DMT, and some people claim 5meoDMT..whereas arundinacea has a huge varriance in different alkaloids that it can potentially produce.

It is not any different from people harvesting seeds from acacias they have success with, growing out that seed and having the same luck with that plant as the mother plant..as long as the seed grown plants are not hybrids between the mother plant and some other species/strain.

No it would not be an issue with brewed grass I would think, isnt ammonia volatile?..and I dont think you would be using the ammounts that sheep graze in order for that to happen anyway.

Nen888 knows more about this ammonia thing than I do.