DeMenTed wrote:Imo God is a human invention. For example: 100,000 years ago a hunter gatherer ate some mushrooms or other psychedelic and encountered the godhead. He told his friends about the experience and they in turn ingested the same substance and encountered their own version of the godhead. Thus God was born.
While I can see the reason behind your concepts, you are far too certain that you've unraveled the mystery of why humanoids conceive of a transcendental, Divine Being. It's arguably limited to the prescription and circumstance of entheogenic contact. While this is evident in shamanic societies, more goes into the worship of God than just chemical enhancement. People didn't really need to stumble onto eating mushrooms, or any other equally Sacred plant, to have an original idea pertaining to the Godhead. The Great Spirit or The Creator (the initial cause, the present reality and the final destination of manifest existentialism) is wholly self evident, if we take the initiative to discover its presence.
I truly believe that the spark of intelligence itself, wholly created the opening for our species to entertain the notion of any sort of Divinity. When thought patterns reach a certain frequency, as organic expressions of the universal force, they begin to gradually question their own existence. Speaking in purely objective terms, they begin to query just why they should even exist at all. What is the purpose?
WTF? What's really happening here? So we begin to reach beyond what we know and embrace the very hyper-real possibility that there is more than meets the material eye. Such a degree in the advancement of intelligence blooms in unique ways, for each individual that experiences the ultimatum.
Honestly, I think your brief synopsis is far too simplistic in it's scope. People haven't ONLY contacted the powerful epiphany of a spiritual source, through the rushing catalyst of psychedelics, to genuinely experience any variation in human conception, belief or projected definition of a belief in
God. For we find much valid and quantifiable evidence that NDE, OBE, lucid dreams, sensory deprivation (self-inflicted or inflicted by the sadistic tragedy of war), a high fever, near suffocation, near-drowning, being struck by lightning, slight or severe concussion, and just plain ole spontaneous shifts in perception (for no seeming reason at all)... can bring our tiny humanoid understanding to a higher point in conscious-awareness, whereby we cannot fully grok with reason, deduction or instinct alone, what life and existence really is and why it is even happening at all.
I feel that we literally need a truly Sacred moment, to bloom before our finite sentient cognition, or we may perhaps remain oblivious to just why we are actually here and who we truly are? I also believe that our collective human folly is to view such seeming paradoxes with anthropomorphic deification and subject/object human conceptions. And I am convinced that we do indeed create full-blown mythic, aggrandizement about them. But as time has spun out before our species (lo these many millenniums), we collectively are gaining a far deeper concept of the Supreme Being.
Our idea of "God" needs to grow and expand, even as or own conscious-awareness does. So, I really am beginning to feel that there is a very lovely symmetry happening, in our very own lifetime. Now we are potentially able to fully perceive of the Divine Field in quantum fashion, in a vastly deeper and more scientific way.
Granted, even the most primitive conception of Gods and Goddesses had some mystical basis in cosmic truth, but by enlarge, humankind has little clue to what is most Omniscient. If psychedelics teach us anything at all, they show how relative every thought we engage in, truly is. I suspect that the Divine Field of Being can be known in many ways. We most certainly do not create this un-quantifiable force. It existed before we ever did and will exist after our dream-bubble pops into the nothingness of which it is quantumly composed.
This cosmic show-down evasively challenges the human mind to take that great leap and discover another level, another type of reality. Entheogens are perhaps the most powerful tools we have to access such expanded levels of conscious-awareness, but countless folks have had the Godhead experience without the use of Sacred Medicines. Meditation alone can shift one's perceptual awareness most exponentially and quite thoroughly.
Quote:Ever since that moment mankind has been trying to define what this 'god' is. As mankind evolved and started mapping the sky he attributed the woder of the universe to 'God' as their basic understanding of the universe couldn't comprehend physics and the like. They watched the stars journeying across the sky and made up little stories about them, personifying the stars and constellations as 'gods'
Ya know, folks still do attribute the wonder of this magnificent universe, in all its cosmic splendor, to
God. Who could look up at the clear night sky, envision the Milky Way above, and not attribute it to a wholly Divine intelligence? It takes innumerable laws to hold this whole process together. It's surely no accident nor random mutation. Because you do not see this as Divinity at play... is hardly valid proof that your hypothesis is spot on.
Come now, is not the vast symmetry and cosmic balance enough to more than strongly imply that a higher power is at play here? IMHO, it behooves us to seek to directly perceive of a unified, indivisible frequency and immanent vibration of Omniversal Mind, manifesting this universal phenomenon we co-exist within. It's a healing embrace. That's just an opinion, but of course.
Quote:Fast forward to recent ancient times and 'god' has become a fully fledged religion, all be it different interpretations arose in different parts of the world (different religions) The greed of mankind realised that 'god' could be used to scare people into being obedient to their wishes and the rest is history.
I just hope we as a species can evolve past this antiquated thinking and realise that 'god' is a human invention and any literature pertaining to know what the real truth is regarding 'god' is just nonsense. Imo
I do sincerely agree in part, yet strongly disagree to your overall synopsis, as based on your various stances and quite worthy points of view. Yet, no one can state with any certainly that their own ideas are anything but dream sequences viewed through a tiny lens of comprehension. And this surely applies to my ow ramblings as well. So, I propose that it actually might be best, not to be so bold as to sweep many thousands of years of human beliefs so easily away, as if they were somehow wrong (yes, your emphatic statements transparently imply your confidence about your intellectual superiority. And that's both astoundingly delusional and totally uncool).
Or perhaps you suggest that they are indulging in mere fantasy, child's play and primitive superstition? Please don't so flagrantly slam such earth peoples as fools, for they are our ancestors and our very roots. For we do stand on the verge of redefining what God and self, indeed are. Let's take a far deeper,more objective and more provocative look, shall we?
I maintain that this line of thought is kinda old hat. It' been more than a century is the making but it leads to only some vague neutrality. It's quite superfluous and most naive to say that ONLY humankind's religions have, as institutions, fucked-over humankind at large. People seem to perpetual atrocities for racial, cultural or even ideological reasons, quite easily enough. Religion has often proven itself to be a sad fusion of these myriad problematic traits but it is not the fault the Godhead... it is the undeniable fault of base human greed for power, pride and manipulation and total ignorance of the real Truth about existence. Existence is most Sacred, my friend.
Besides, we've been scared shitless by war-mongering, since we learned to throw rocks at each other and beat each other to death with sticks. and for what? More food, more territory, more power? Sigh... this sickness has far more to do with a definitive lack of understanding of God, than any pretense of understanding God.
Come on now, people have ALWAYS used whatever tool to control and coerce their agendas. Government itself, the military, the established intelligentsia, modern academia and the medical "sciences"... have just as equally pulled the reins-in, most harshly at that, on any humanoid expression of true freedom of thought. We can certainly do much better as a species existent in the time-space-continuum.
IMHO, when we modify our ideas about God to those which perceive of the Divine, as the Unified Field of Being, we reflect a far keener understanding of what is Holy and what is most immanent to human perception. May we all experience God in a more expanded and highly attuned manner. May we find new lenses to perceive of the Godhead. Those which most adhere to universal harmony and cosmic intelligence. For I believe that the true God is the living fulcrum manifesting said attributes.
If said "God" is any God at all, this effulgent Spirit is Omniscient and most immanent in all of reality unfolding. It's greatest characteristic, to me, seems to be the awareness is uses to see itself through our subjective vantage points and uniquely individual eyes.
My, my, my.. how I seem to go on and on. Well, that's just my 2,000 cents worth (and not much more that the sound of a babbling brook and far less musical, admittedly).
Om Shanti There is no self to which I cling, for I am one with everything.