Hey everyone. After trying out DMT freebase for the first time, my imaginary friend, Chronos, says he's interested in going to the next level and combining with an MAOI. From what he's gathered, he's going to make a tea from 50g of B. caapi and consume it 30 minutes before consuming the vaporized DMT as normal. He only has one question: Is the 50mg dose of smoked freebase DMT the same when combining with the MAOI? And how will the experience be different? He's sorry if the question had been asked before, but he can't find any specific information on this question (and the search function is acting up). Chronos figures that this process is analogous to taking ayahuasca, but he wants to be sure before doing anything.

SWIM has no experience with caapi tea, but plenty with combining sublingual THH (pure caapi extract) with freebasing. It is quite wonderful - doesn't necessarily increase either the intensity or duration of the peak experience, but does slow it down just a bit and warms it up considerably. Expect an increased body load, much more of a physical sinking in to whatever you are laying back on, more of a prickly pins and needles kind of feeling on takeoff, and more euphoria in general. After the peak, however, is when it's really most pronounced - a very nice, very gradual return over the course of, say, the next hour, and if (3 or 4) repeated hits are taken, a VERY LSD-like experience which will last up to a couple of hours.

HIGHLY recommended.

I've only tried it with tea from Rue seeds, not Caapi yet (high on the to-do-list - today I burned the tea while reducing, shame on me!).
You'll probably need only half the standard dose, it will somehow smoothen and extend the peak and you also get a long afterglow, like Art describes for THH. The brilliant thing is: as long as the MAOI is active you can inhale more at will. Total control, with a bit of practice.

Yes, highly recommended, it's as if these organisms were made for each other: Mimosa, Caapi/Rue, mushrooms, Humans...

I'm playing with the idea of combining Caapi tea with 0.5-1 grams of dried Cubensis and then launch with 20-30 mg of spice. Going into a low orbit before hyperlaunch can ease the transition!

Good luck, I hope you'll receive a nice hypermassage

Swim is also curious about this. He has some powdered yellow caapi and was wondering what is the best method for this.
Make some tea out of 50g? Simply boil the powdered root in some water. Would that work? Any input is appreciated.
Hes wondeing if doing this with the vine will give the trip a more Aya feel

Careful with that combo. McKenna wrote about mushrooms and Caapi once, and said he wouldn't be doing it again. I haven't read a positive report about Caapi and Mushrooms yet, but you could always be the first!

For whatever reason Rue + Mushrooms seem to go better together.

I've read that Rue is a lot more powerful than Caapi. In the Erowid vaults for Caapi, one submitter says that he much prefers Caapi to Rue when combining with tryptamines because the latter is too intense and can ruin the experience.

Here's the link.

Funny you say that I didnt realise terrence mckenna said that. Swim finally got round to trying this combo a few weeks ago. First week he tried 30g of white vine and half a gram of liberty caps. Aiming low just to see, was quite mild but enjoyable.

The next week he took 40g of white vine with a gram of liberty caps. He lay in bed waiting for it to come on, took a while, he thought, then it came on really quite strong, though he knew it wouldnt be too heavy after the week before, at least he hoped. The initial come up was the strongest part of the trip, then strangely it all seemed to calm donw and stop. Swim decided to go into his living room thinking it had all calmed down then all of a sudden it was bam really strong again, the waves of cappi totally controlling the effects of the mushrooms. It was really enjoyable.

Swim would try this again at a higher dose next time, as he knows these doses arent much, but better to ebb on the side of caution for this swimmer. Hell try rue, he has read a lot of reports of really intense trips with the rue and mushrooms.

Thats what swim had gathered from erowid.

Oh and soulman swim brews cappi doing three brews, 3litres water 30ml cider vinegar per litre then reduce. He done a cold water extraction the last time.

SWIM took tea of 40g caapi with freebase dmt. Better dissolve the dmt in orange juice or smt

SWIM did a 150mg dose, it was overwhelmingly strong, but a very learning and overall positive experience.

for first time better try more like 50mg freebase dmt, for me this is also already quite a strong experience.

40-50g caapi boiled 3x is quite enough.

Careful with that combo. McKenna wrote about mushrooms and Caapi once, and said he wouldn't be doing it again. I haven't read a positive report about Caapi and Mushrooms yet, but you could always be the first!

Ya I def. remember Mckenna talking about that...

I did 'Shrooms + Syrian Rue and it was just ridiculous! Dosage was 3g 'Shrooms + 3g Syrian Rue... and it was... WOW!!! Be careful if you do this! I think the best way to do this would be to take THH + 'Shrooms... that would just be cool!!!

Now that I think of it another cool combo would be 25x Cacao extract (or something similar) + 'Shrooms (+ THH).

Hey endlessness, what was the experience like? You consumed the DMT orally after taking the Caapi? Did it have the duration of an ayahuasca trip?

caapi with DMT is the traditional magical combo... do it...
45-50 gms of vine powdered or crushed will do it...
doil down... add water boil down... add water, boil down... strain... boil down to a cup... drink then after a half hour take your dmt if your goign to do it that way...
i find it funny that a bunch of dmt base heads get all nervous around caapi... heheheh... you have a reason to be of coarse... but not a good one lol

Will consuming the DMT orally give a different experience than vaporizing it after taking the tea?

Yes.

It's amazing what you can achieve on this substance when your head is clear. Also early onset visuals seem more of this world.

Expect higher doses to be closer to the effect of vaporized DMT at the peak. Obviously because it builds up slower it's a lot easier to handle.

Far superior in my opinion.

I agree...
with THH and harmine the experience is less of a shock to the system and clear so clear...its NOT like any other entheogen and its nothing like smoking it... it is truly amazing...

The experience was incredible! SWIM was glued to bed with his eyes closed for a couple of hours. He was having very strong visuals, similar to smoking dmt but slower moving (so more time to pay attention to it). He was also having very strong auditory experiences of what he can only describe as 'buzzing electric insectoid alien discharges'. Total trip lasted maybe 4 hours. He took the caapi half an hour before the dmt.

It was also filled with teachings throughout the trip, where SWIM saw some of his mistakes, showing him to value more each moment in life and so on. There were moments of nausea too, but SWIM feels that the nausea is a part of the experience, because the suffering helps us appreciate more the good parts.

SWIM didnt yet try smoking dmt while orally taking some MAOI, its in his to-do list, so he could not compare both types of experience...