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dmtmd
#1 Posted : 5/8/2013 1:51:20 AM
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Is it possible to break psilocin down to dmt? Im just curius do to the fact that they are very similar chemically would it be possible with the addition of a chemical or two to psilocin them down to dmt by removal of the hydroxide?
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#2 Posted : 5/8/2013 1:55:28 AM

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dmtmd wrote:
Is it possible to break psilocybin or psilocin down to dmt? Im just curius do to the fact that they are very similar chemically would it be possible with the addition of a chemical or two to break them down to dmt?


I believe if this were possible no one would bother importring plants from other regions to extract we would all just be growing a never ending supply of mushrooms to keep some intact and others to synth DMT, I could be wrong but I doubt it highly from my readings I never saw any mention of it.
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#3 Posted : 5/8/2013 2:09:13 AM
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I know this is speaking from a place of chemical ignorance, but how can it really be that hard to remove a hydroxide group. Im sure synthetic chemist do stuff like this all the time with ease.
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#4 Posted : 5/8/2013 2:15:04 AM

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hopeful and doubtful that it would be possible. Never heard anything about it. Good stuff to be brought up though because you never know when something slips through the cracks. Keep brainstorming.
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#5 Posted : 5/8/2013 2:17:01 AM
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Yeah i have been lurking on the internet a few hours and have found surprisingly little for as much potential this might have. Hopefully Some chemist wiz sees this and makes a tek, ill keep praying lol.
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#6 Posted : 5/8/2013 2:23:52 AM

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I would advise you to delete your posts talking about synthesis of dmt, it's not allowed here
 
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#7 Posted : 5/8/2013 2:27:01 AM
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Its not really synthesis, to my knowledge the attitude expressed about synthesis is that it it isnt to be discussed how to start with chemical a and add 50 other chemicals to get to dmt. Because when dealing with such chemicals serious health and legal risk are at hand.
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#8 Posted : 5/8/2013 2:28:12 AM

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#9 Posted : 5/8/2013 2:29:19 AM

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Demented I used the word synth as well should I change that? Who were you talking to him or me?
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#10 Posted : 5/8/2013 2:31:27 AM
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The removal of hydroxide is not more synthesizing than the salting of dmt. Lets try to stay on subject please Razz
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#11 Posted : 5/8/2013 2:32:06 AM

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I was talking about the whole topic to be honest TOXSIN. It doesn't bother me, i find it interesting but the Traveler might not see it that way Smile
 
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#12 Posted : 5/8/2013 2:37:54 AM

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I'm probably wrong though dmtmd. I seen the synth word and jumped to conclusions
 
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#13 Posted : 5/8/2013 10:22:01 PM

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doubtful. but why would you want to?

psilocin may as well be orally active DMT as far as i am concerned.

and you can vape psilocybin, so there wouldn't really be need for anything more than a simple exctraction.
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#14 Posted : 5/9/2013 1:17:05 AM

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has anyone ever really smoked the mushrooms ?
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#15 Posted : 5/9/2013 1:37:36 AM

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nen888 and Jim Dekorne have vaporized extracts and both claim that they worked.
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#16 Posted : 5/9/2013 2:06:18 AM

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jamie wrote:
nen888 and Jim Dekorne have vaporized extracts and both claim that they worked.


well there is something in there , afterall

waiting to hear more on this.......
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#17 Posted : 5/9/2013 4:37:26 AM
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Im going to bed and ill be happy to discuss this tomorrow but tonight ill leave the response from a chemist about how to remove the hydroxide

I thikn you can
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Im not going to pretend i understand that so translation is welcome lol goodnight
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#18 Posted : 5/9/2013 10:23:42 AM

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dmtmd wrote:
a) reduce it with twice molar amount of HI

And with this you are crossing the line, If you mention HI you should have known that it is currently listed as a Federal DEA List I Chemical, that means it it a watched chemical.

Please read our attitude page:
No synthesis talk that uses dangerous/watched chemicals and procedures

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Discussion of simple safe non-commercial synthesis not requiring watched chemicals are tolerated (example: the reduction of DMT N-oxide to DMT with zinc, or the supposed LSA-to-LSH conversion).


Normally new members get one (only one!) warning before suspension since they might have overlooked the Attitude page. However, since DeMenTed already warned you about this, you should have known and as such you are now suspended.

The rules we have on the DMT-Nexus are here for very good reasons; laymen people who do not know about watched or dangerous chemicals might end up in jail by trying to get their hands on these chemicals or in the hospital trying to use them. News reports about people getting arrested for 'synthing DMT' in their 'drugs lab' will not work in our favor to end the prohibition of our beloved substances.


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