It's simply that the things that they say are often not testable. They don't say much in the way that can be proven true or false. A lot of it is highly metaphysical. Their consistency is also, as I said, quite disturbing. They don't seem to contradict themselves, and the style of communication with the incessant disturbances for example all comes off as "who in the world would and/or could just make it all up. When I was reading it, I very much wanted to believe it. Afterward, when it became obvious that it was making my DMT journeys more difficult, I scoured the internet to see if anybody had debunked any of it, but it seemed like the internet was as well-frustrated as I was.

The primary reason why so long as I've read it, I don't regret reading it, simply has to do with their discussion of the pyramids. They put an incredibly interesting function behind it: sensory deprivation initiation! I enjoy the math and metaphysics that they talk about in regards to the pyramids, and so I'm glad I read that at least. Of course all of it could be untrue. In fact, if it was, it would make me surprisingly happy cause if they're wrong about something, they could be wrong about a heap-load else. Anyone here find anything that Ra says that is firmly debunked/debunkable?

I have read a lot of stuff about the pyramids potential function via the works of Bob Frissell, Stewart Swerdlow et al, combined with the Golden Mean Ratio, Pi, Fibonacci aspects of such things (though my understanding I feel would fall under "laymans" category)..

I was more leaning towards the idea of negative or mischievous entities being channeled than people just making it up (though I have no doubt there are those types out there also).

I may give them a read, in fact I notice there are audio versions of the channelings available nowadays also which I might dive into.

Many thanks for your thoughts and response

Edit Addition: Listening now via http://www.youtube.com/w...;list=PL451DA72F93C4E85B

Intuition is a valuable tool if it is developed. The vague sense of being directed in one way or another is not a fully developed intuitive faculty, though.

If your intuition is not sharp and trustworthy, it can easily be fooled. That is true enough in this world... and even moreso over there.

This is because the beings on the other side of the rabbit hole are basically all master telepaths. It is child's play for them to read your thoughts... doing so is the basis for nearly all communications they have with you. For those without well developed skill sets, there is always the question of "what is the source of your inspiration and intuition?"

Many people mistake the communications from entities as their inner voice. It takes a degree of familiarity with your own higher wisdom and its voice to be able to immediately recognize when it is speaking.

I wish there was some easy way to become proficient in this stuff... I know of none. You must simply keep learning and practicing. The work you do in this regard on this side of the looking glass will pay dividends on the other side. Any shaman or mystic will tell you the same.

HF

Oh, and in respect to the knowledge you wish you didn't have...

It's a rough one.

Ever read any H.P. Lovecraft? Hehehehe... this is the basic theme of most of his short stories. If you had a real, authentic Necronomicon in your possession, would you dare to read it... would you even dare to open the cover?

I can't speak much to the Ra material. I have read a bit more of the Seth stuff.

While some of the more famous channeled stuff resonates with me, I always find things that don't jibe with my experiences. The whole prophesying thing is hard as well, as my experience shows me that everything that can happen, does... somewhere in the vast infinity of multiverses and their infinite dimensions and iterations. It is extremely difficult to say for certain if anything you see is even in your own "timeline" so to speak... and even if so... is it in your distant past, or in one of the possible futures fanning out from your present.

I tend to lose interest in such endeavors unless they are specifically shown to me by beings I have come to love and trust. And even then... it is often only in the moments before something comes to pass that you remember these things. You are given a long enough time to have the full deja vu experience and even remember when you saw it before... but generally not enough time to do anything about it or alter it. Though, there are exceptions to this.

I suppose the big question here is:

IS INNOCENCE REALLY BLISS?

Does the knowledge of something unpleasant make it more real and likely to occur? Can knowing these things ahead of time help you?

All I can really say is that knowing ahead of time what potential dangers are lurking in the Amazon gives you an immense respect for any travel you do there... so much so, that one often decides not to bother. If visions of insects laying eggs in your skin and man eating fish are not enough to put you off... then knowing about them certainly helps you make less foolish decisions when there.

I suppose good information is always a bonus... if it is trustworthy. Naturally, though, filling your head with fear inducing delusions is of no use whatsoever.

In the end, we come back to where we start from... you have to use your head and pay attention.

I've had many connections with quite a variety of entity
Things . For example just yesterday after a series
Of moderate experiences . I was pushing too hard
To get into hyperspace . I know better too .It's only then that a very
Sneaky diabolical futuristic thing slides into my awareness ,
It's a cold entity of some kind that is hungry for something
From me . I know it well now I've finally learned to put tha damn
vG down and cease all operations at this point . I'm convinced
That there are various kinds if weird things at every dose range of dmt.
I have been staying at one basic dose range for a few years now and learning
Alot about what resides there . Some of it is amazing and beautiful , some if it is not
So good .


Imagine for a sec that you are an advanced intelligence somewhere
In the universe or even close by in another dimension only a thin veil away .
Perhaps your probing and exploring life outside your
Realm . Perhaps you've found a portal access point directly
into the minds of any biological unit of intelligent life.Perhaps you've created a force of some kind
That projects a calming sense of universal love on an accessed
Subject just long enough to get information or energy
From said subject without problems . The universsl love we feel coulld simply
be a form of anethetic . Just sayin ....

Good intentions, clear mind. Generally it's not something you can influence and sometimes it even feels predetermined

Anyone had any experiences with Arch-Angels in le hyperspace ?

Asking for them post-blast off was probably the most confirmational proof of their existence for me.

Ask For Arch-angel Michael if the beings/entities you're with don't seem to be positive or at least neutral. A kind of 'electric jolt' to the head instantly after calling for him and Gabriel on another occasion. Also Gabriel is associated with dreams and the world of visions. Genuinely asking to receive beneficial visions/experiences can't do any harm.

> Lovecraft's Great! You also may want to check-out what Crowley has to say on contacting Higher Intelligences!

> In 1904, in one of the most magickal experiences of his life Alester Crowley
was contacted by a Higher Intelligence, who dictated to him, as he was in a light trance,
- the Book of the Law.

> the book opens; "Had! The manifestation of Nuit.
The Unveiling of the company of Heaven.
Every man and woman a star.
I am above you and in you. My ecstasy is in yours.
My joy is your joy."

> Instructions on contacting this Intelligence are quite specific;
"To worship me take wine and strange drugs where-of I will tell
my prophet & be drunk thereof!

> Crowley's system is a synthesis of 3 elements...

1. Western Occultism. the secret "illluminated" teaching out 19th. century Rosicrucianism, going back thru medieval witchcraft, the Knights Templar, European Sufis, Gnosticism, the Eleusinian Mysteries ect...'

2. Easter Yoga, meditation plus physical exercises & Tantric "sexual" yoga.

3. Modern scientific method. Crowley taught keeping of careful records of each "experiment", and detached philosophical analysis after each stage of increased awareness.

> Some of the "Magick" exercises he recommends seem to have been borrowed from Hatha Yoga,
others are similar to the methods of tribal shamans, others from Tibetan & Indian Tantra.

> Crowley recommends that before trying his more advanced techniques one should...

> 1. Be in Excellent Health!

> 2. Able to conduct experiments accurately in at least one science.

> 3. Have a general knowledge of several sciences.

> 4. Be competent in at least one athletic skill.

> 5. Be able to pass an examination in formal logic & be able to pass an examination in the history of philosophy, including Materialism, Rationalism, Spiritualism, Comparative Theology, etc.

> Without that kind of general knowledge and the self-confidence and independence of thought produced by such study, Magick investigation may merely Blow Your Mind!!!

> Remember... the Lunatic Asylums are full of people who naively set out to study the occult before they had any real competence in dealing with the ordinary!!!

Hyperspace Fool:

Great to meet you!!! I am very new here & only experienced entities twice starting 12 days ago. As has happened several time already since I joined this board, I come across information seemingly just when I needed it. Your logic on entities appeals to me much more than anything else I've read here so far - I can't perform the mental acrobatics to necessary to conclude "real/not real doesn't matter as long as you hold respect". Whether we can actually know or not, it seems like it definitely f***n matters! I loved your analogy regarding SARS, I have mostly come down off the fence and would like some tamiflu, please I say "mostly" because I guess I am still integrating my experience - and because in general, I continually always doubt what I think I believe (I'm mostly influenced by R.A.W. in that regard - definitely one of my favorite authors as well!)



I'd love if you can expand on this and if the opposite holds true as well: mistaking the voice of the "inner self" for that of entities. After my last experience this is coming up for me and I'm really left wondering what happened. I've started another thread with the detail here and would love to hear your input on it.

THANKS!!!!

So I've been ruminating on this thread for the past week or so because I am more and more frequently contacted by these dark glitchy aberrations of entities. Typically things will be going just swell, and then I'll notice a blemish or something in the corner that gradually makes its way to the fore, primarily to make physical contact with me. There are several different ones, but I'm learning to recognize them earlier and earlier in the process. If they do touch me, they leave this sticky, warm, fuzzy, slimy energy on my skin. So if it's on my arm for example, I can feel a mass of this stuff both with my arm, as well as if I place my hand of it, then I can really feel the fuzzy and sliminess of it as I'll usually work on attempting to get it off me. It also clearly suppresses positive emotions. If they're on me, usually the only way I'll get out of there "clean" is if the godhead shows up to "save the day" in a grandiosely majestic display.

So yesterday, I go to hyperspace again. Like Felnik, I sort of under-dosed at first, and really didn't end up getting too far at all. I too, also knew better, yet I decided that I would load the GVG up once again anyway. So I do, and I take my rip, put the GVG down, close my eyes, and things start happening, more than at first anyway, and as I'm patiently waiting for things to "heat up" I notice that the background has become relatively dark and squirmy. Well after ruminating on this thread all week, as mentioned above, I had decided that in first signs of things going awry, I was taking no chances. I was ready to go, seated myself in a sort of "power stance" with my legs spread to shoulder length, and without wasting a moment's notice, I opened my eyes, and bellowed out a deep and quite long throat roar.

It's quite similar to the sounds that the Tibetan Monks make with their throat chanting. Until last year, I was completely unaware my vocal cords could make that sound, until one day upon a negative entity encounter, energy around me automatically spurred me into making that sound that I didn't know I could make.

So I've learned to be able to do it even without the DMT, but yesterday when I was again protecting myself, this time consciously conjuring the sound, the DMT was dropping it even lower and then lower again in frequency. It felt like I was using 3 deep vocal cords monstrously at once. All of hyperspace was in deep sympathetic vibration with both the sound as well as my vibrating body with my resonating vocal cords. I was letting out this roar for a good 45 seconds.

Upon closing my eyes again, I was presented with this quite pure, extremely dimensional and subtly intricate set of positive DMT geometries. In the far background, I can see "Mrs. Dark and Squirmy" who has now been largely "stripped" trying to make one last-ditch attempt at getting over to me. It was quite empowering to be able to stand up for myself, and I wasn't about to wait around and see what was about to happen, so I gave one final long throat drone growl. When I was done, everything was serene and peaceful. I did a "body scan" of myself with my hands to check for any fuzzy slime energy, and there was none to be found. It's amusing how as my hands glide over my chakras, they swell up with energy, getting pushed away from my body. Anyway, I'm hoping that if I continually refuse to accept their BS, that hopefully they'll get the message, and pray on some easier bait (sorry in advance for anyone to whom I happen to pawn some of my guys off on! ).

Global it's interesting , I find myself in a similar situation as you regarding
These entity things . I have also screamed and yelled quite a few times .
Your technique sounds much more focused .
I've noticed that chanting and singing in a steady way
Similar to the Icaro chants really seem to dissipate these
Darker forced things. It's some of the o

Congrats Global.

Your successfully employing of a powerful vocalization technique should make the entities who taught it to you proud. I find that being able to defend oneself is extremely empowering. Besides, why bother your guardian allies if you can deal with it on your own. This is kind of the "give a man a fish" analogy for entities.

You will get some more techniques under your belt, and eventually be relatively prepared for most of the lesser scummies of lower hyperspace. Of course, there will always be entities that you can't handle alone... but your proud guides will be happy to assist you in your hours of real need, when you have proven willing to do some of the work yourself. "G*d loves the child that's got his own..."

As much as being able to defend oneself is cool, it is still wise to avoid situations where using your skills will be necessary. Even master martial artists tend to avoid barfights and dark alleys. The real skill is being able to control your vibratory frequency so as not to end up in the vicinity of the bad neighborhoods and not exude any "dark entity pheromones" for them to latch on to.

Yes, I completely agree. I would much rather never see these things again, and give up any egomaniacal sense of empowerment in a heartbeat as a trade for never having to deal with these guys again.

Sometimes I'll reach for my guitar to use as a transformational tool towards the dark entities. Particularly it seems that if I can quickly establish a key with chords, it can rearrange them into more "acceptable" geometries. Last time I tried that though, I reached for my guitar, and they went for the guitar too (my attention must have guided them there) so they slimed me as I picked it up

This makes me think of Pythagorean Harmonics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning
while also thinking of the scene where Sherlock Holmes is controlling the motion of insects in a jar via musical notes

Hey Hyperspace Fool, while we may not agree on all our views, I just like to use this space to thank you for helping people out here, your posts are certainly interesting and bring good tools people can use to navigate these misterious realms of hyperspace

Yeah, thank you too endlessness. Always a pleasure hanging out with you.

These are interesting and important issues, and it is certainly good to discuss them openly with the clever and good people we have here. If not us, then who?