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DeDao
#1 Posted : 5/3/2013 5:08:01 PM

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If you were to take harmalas, specifically syrian rue, three days in a row then dose DMT with the last day would the DMT be more potent than if you hadn't dosed harmalas the days before?

I am wondering if they build in your system this way.

I do remember hearing in ayahuasca ceremonies how it gets stronger as you take it in succession but I would like some type of confirmation so maybe I can lower my DMT since it will be "WIDE OPEN" in my stomach.



Also, one other question, how long can chacruna tea stay good in the fridge?

I have a few doses in the fridge and it smells less potent; it doesn't smell rotten but just less strong.

If any of you have knowledge on either of these subjects/questions that would be awesome if you could leave some wisdom.

Thanks.
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#2 Posted : 5/4/2013 7:36:54 AM

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DeDao wrote:
If you were to take harmalas, specifically syrian rue, three days in a row then dose DMT with the last day would the DMT be more potent than if you hadn't dosed harmalas the days before?


not really , the dmt will be same

there will be some tolerance to the harmalas , yet this will be negligeble , i have noticed tolerance with harmala does exist if you do it in a row ...yet its comparetively very less compared to lsd or shrooms

yet tolerance does exist , only minimal if only 3 days in a row most probably you could go a week without noticing any real tolerance

edit : is your chacruna boiled with an acid or just plain water , if it was acid brewed then it should have no loss of potency , with a plain water brew the potency will definetly go down over time yet only negligeble ,
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#3 Posted : 5/4/2013 1:49:22 PM

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Water. So next time maybe boil it down with vinegar?

So the potency in the brew isn't so much lower to where I should brew more to have the dose right?
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#4 Posted : 5/4/2013 7:07:06 PM

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I experience a fairly significant reverse tolerance with harmalas. If I dose either extract or ayahuasca on consecutive days, I need less to get the same effects.

I have taken ~400mg of harmala extract before bed on 3-4 consecutive nights multiple times, and each time, I go from waking up with slight residuals on the first morning, to waking up with full-blown harmala effects (ranging from nausea to tracers to ataxia) the final morning.
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DeDao
#5 Posted : 5/4/2013 8:23:24 PM

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Interesting. Thanks for replying
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#6 Posted : 5/4/2013 9:01:22 PM

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Getting familiar to live in the wake of a particular plant-vibe can also be confused with "tolerance".
 
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#7 Posted : 5/5/2013 1:16:57 AM



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I've experienced reverse tolerance as well. Especially after long-term frequent dosing. The amounts i need for harmala affects now are ridiculous. I took 60mg of very crude rue harmalas the other night, and 12 hours later after waking up i was still feeling strong visual/body/mental affects. But at the same time, after working with them a lot you do learn to get used to it and can handle higher doses better



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#8 Posted : 5/5/2013 4:39:23 PM

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Ah okay. So they effect you more but you can handle larger doses better.

Seems fair.
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