yeah it beats me.... nmt is an ally of dmt, .. a partner in crime, a conjoined twin that doesn't want to be separated from its dimethylated brother .

i have a feeling this pretty much comes down to the aesthetic quality of the extract.. most people seem keen on getting nice crystals. people should consider though what is more important: the look of the extract or the experience itself

look of the extract, obviously

I've never tried spice with significant NMT content to my knowledge, but you are right about them being allies. Any plant or animal that contains DMT must contain NMT as well as NMT is the intermediate that is formed when making DMT from tryptamine. Inevitably, all spice will contain some NMT, and the similarity between the molecules makes them co-crystallize and nearly impossible to separate. I merely gave a simple way to convert the NMT to DMT if one wishes to do so. If half of the tryptamine content in your product is NMT, running the reaction will convert it all to DMT, giving you twice as much DMT. I think this is really a matter of personal preference which I personally dont know where I stand yet. I would have to try an NMT rich batch of spice to form an opinion on the matter. Please don't think I have any problem with NMT as all spice was NMT at one point in its existence.

thanks for the perspective ChemisTryptaMan
your work is still much appreciated.. that is just my personal preference to leave the other alkaloids in. but people are free to do with their extracts what they will and extra dmt is always nice

I actually tend to side with you on that one, the plants will give up what they are meant to, and your product from a particular species will contain multiple alkaloids with psychoactive properties if it has a rich enough tryptamine content to extract DMT from. I will likely be working with acacia for my next xtract as mimosa is not as readily available as it was last year. At that point I will try the NMT rich product and see for myself. Until then I just hope nobody does anything stupid trying to separate them and hurt themselves. Chemistry is not a game and this stuff should be approached with a high level of caution, like personal protective equipment(gloves and goggles people!!), and never heating organic solvents with open flames as my good friend soulshine can attest to in his post "Baptism by fire".

I'd think twice about posting a 'tek' for the conversion, it's technically a synthesis with chemicals many are not familiar with.
a separation procedure using ion-exchange resin would probably be acceptable under Nexus rules.

it is possible to obtain a quaternary ammonium salt (N,N,N-trimethyltryptamine) under certain reaction conditions (reductive amination + methylation) with certain reagents, methylation doesn't just stop at DMT.

it the plant in question contains a considerable amount of NMT, you may be dealing with a young plant (afaik, the conversion from tryptamine -->NMT--> DMT is irreversible). allow it to age some before extracting. metabolism tends to occur consistently over a timeline, which is why papers mention doing extractions on the grass at certain time intervals, to avoid extracting latter metabolites in the pathway

She'll take you on the way like you've never seen it before and unfold the universe before your eyes, if you can bare to witness it. She'll show you who you are and what it means, if you've got the courage to live with it. She'll show you Luv like you haven't known for so very long, and with it shred you to infinite bits when you haven't what it takes to understand it.

Get all that NMT out of your spice, for your own good. Distract yourself with the elves and their offers of wonder, the fever-pitch tunnels, magic landscapes and spirit skirmishes. Chase your tail as long as you can... Because when you finally do it right, you'll realize what you were really doing all along. Do you want to?

To those advocating that the NMT be left alone: Why? If they're searching for easy-to-obtain drugs, then the elfspice is much more distracting and has a much more wretched capacity for the punishment they deserve. If they do not understand plants, and only understand drugs... then the stinking, fuming, shot into the dark is what they want.

No need to pollute her gifts with the waste and disgust that is what a fool does in the presence of her grace.

Those who are really capable of handling these gifts will know how to use them properly.

[quote=Hiyo Quicksilver
Get all that NMT out of your spice, for your own good. Distract yourself with the elves and their offers of wonder, the fever-pitch tunnels, magic landscapes and spirit skirmishes. Chase your tail as long as you can... Because when you finally do it right, you'll realize what you were really doing all along. Do you want to?

To those advocating that the NMT be left alone: Why? If they're searching for easy-to-obtain drugs, then the elfspice is much more distracting and has a much more wretched capacity for the punishment they deserve. If they do not understand plants, and only understand drugs... then the stinking, fuming, shot into the dark is what they want.

No need to pollute her gifts with the waste and disgust that is what a fool does in the presence of her grace.

Those who are really capable of handling these gifts will know how to use them properly.[/quote]


I probably DON'T understand DMT
I dont understand this post either.

Are you saying that anyone who likes NMT is a superificial drug addict unable to benefit or understand the psychedelic experience?
And also tha the substancwe itself is some kind of abomination?
Also I read that if one does like NMT (elfspice? IDK) they deserve punishment?
Man, you can preach what you like, but with all that hate and punishment, Ill stay away from your church

i think he's saying that those that want pure crystal are "drug" users and those that get the nice coctail of nmt, beta carbolines and dmt mixed together in goo and know how to use it are the truly initiated and anointed.

I personally would like to separate as i don't need to keep getting potentiated if i want to keep hitting the spice once i've been primed with the nmt/beta carbolines.

btw... after my first trip on dmt i came out of it saying "oroboros" I knew it was us chasing our tail

mono methyl chains on tryptamine are an abomination.

di methyl chains are totally cool.

tis naught but simple science. spirituality is directly related how many methyl chains are on a tryptamine molecule (trimethyl is too spiritual, it will turn you into martin ball)

Ummmm. I thought this was a "what does your acacia spice look like?"
Kind of got sidetracked a bit? Let's SEE some PICS!!!

Oh god, sorry no pics ATM, but just got a new fone that I can do all that with
this is post 1 W /it
Fixin to do another extractipn on the same ACRB I did my first two gooey pnes from. Pics galore if I can learn how to remove data.l

Ok so if I misunderstood the poster above sorry but your followup is even more stupifying. So just what were the criteria used to determine your observation that what was it, methyl chains determine the spiritual energy of a plant
So who contaminated tthe molecule? God? Was he a part of the experiment?
Okay Ill avoid the school too
Sorry yall couldnt help it. Now back to topic.
PS please try to excuse typos -I have Jerry fingers.

OH -whats this - harmaline in ACRB? That's the first Ive heard of that. Ill have to go over the analysis thread again more thoroughly. So then ACRB goo is like Changa then? Huh.

Hold the reins cowboy, nobody's preachin, so no need to get all hot and bothered.

I'd suppose I mean none of the things you'd assume, but it's clearly out of my hands now. Though I do like you're idea about the abominable nature of NMT.. I shall start my crusade today, build my church tomorrow. We will sacrifice the detestable molecule on the altar, the skillet, the choreboy and leaf... And we shall rejoice in its destruction. All will be borne free and laid bare as the world purges the golden waste from the depths of their stashes. Hate and punishment are just the foreplay... It's that love and light that'll get you in the end. The flames march on not a moment too soon.

Incidentally, I love Martin Ball.

As long as we don't Fillet the Choirboy and Leave...

Hiyo...it takes a couple of reads, but you do produce an intriguing turn of phrase in your posts.

(nuthin' wrong with NMT imo, scrape it, vape it, smoke it, toke it)

If the universe explodes, you probably broke it.

I call it insanity

Now to find the sep funnel... maybe I can make a post here that is on topic.

..this is one of the most ridiculous posts i've ever read, lol, no offense..unless i've mis-understood it..

..so, 'nature' puts NMT in a plant, with DMT..is 'she' wrong?

the few people who've worked with higher dose NMT+DMT+betacarbolines think it's a deeper experience..
what, you prefer more superficial..? just smoke more!

and i guess your saying yopo, vilca and other multi-tryptamine plants are abominations too..

if you want to get really deep, visuals aren't everything..how about space itself?

ultimately to me, obsession with 'pure', separated, refined compounds smacks of drug abuse..
and the idea of 'standardising' all tryptamine plant extracts to be just DMT is like fascist..

i suspect some people here don't really get vaporisation technique, nor diversity of the tryptamine experience..

so, are you saying Acacia confusa gets it wrong sometimes..?

You were on it right up through the ridiculous part, then it trailed off...

For the good of humanity, the honeyspice must be sacrificed. We cannot afford to hold onto it any longer, for its siren song whispers at us from across the abyss of mystery, calling us to become one with its enchanting melody. She would have her song consume us, our hearts threading together and beating as one for all of time. She would have our wills forfeit to her own and our minds shatter in the face of what cannot be understood.

Come, my brothers and sisters! We must not let our moment slip by! We must strike now while she is closest and prevail as a glorious united front! This reeking golden mess must be destroyed wherever it may rear its aromatic, methylated head, and reduced in the turmoil of electrochemical conflagration to mere waste! Only when it is gone will we see the light, and truly know what lies within. Her dying breaths will fuel our march to shameless victory!

For we are ALL ONE! ALL ONE! ALL ONE OR NONE! Exceptions eternally? NONE!



...At least that's what my friends say.

well said nen... and hiyo... artistically ridiculous and I couldn't disagree more.. I don't think i've ever read such fine poetry that I find so contrasting to my own ideas! ... it sounds to me like your perhaps a bit ..acacia confused..

trust the tree... ...the treeeeee

..Hiyo..lol..ok..nice, but except the all one bit, what do you mean? lol..

ps. it's what your acrb extract looks like on the inside that counts..