I posted this in the FAQ as well but feel like it will get more attention here.

I've always made DMT freebase, but I hate freeze prepping so I always evaporate. I'm sick of wasting the solvent and waiting.. So I just started to salt with HCL. The first time I salted was recently on a San Pedro extraction, pic attached. Product came out great, but was eaten opposed to smoked.

Are DMT acetate/HCL and DMT freebase completely different? Can you smoke DMT acetate as you would freebase. or does the 'acetate' just mean is came from a acidic solution and 'freebase' mean it came from a basic solution.

The reason I ask is that I do dry Teks and use Ca(OH)2 to base.

I'd like to salt out with 50ml of HCL/water and evap that and be done, BUT if the spice must be in freebase form than since I would have a liquid (hcl soulution + DMT) I would base with maybe 10g of NaOH, then pull with 50ml of solvent and evap that.

Basically just trying to reduce the amount of solvent I have to evap. I do many pulls and end up with 500+ml solvent.

Would I lose product through these extra 2 steps? or can I just have a finished product from salting.

DMT salts are ideal for oral and/or nasal ingestion. I don't believe you can really smoke them. I believe you'll have to convert your acetate to freebase before you can smoke it. You might just be better off with the freeze precip.

you CAN smoke acetate, but you can also just convert it to fb.
if you want to do that without wasting solvent, you can dissolve your acetate in water (Doesn't take much), then add a bit of base for it all to precip out (then you can coffee filter it, or whatever)

cool

Salting with HCL is not a good idea as the resultant salt is very hygroscopic and will pull moisture from the air and be a goey mess. Salt with fumaric acid to make a fumarate or i have heard people have had results with tartaric acid. Acetate just means that the salt is DMT and acetic acid bonded together. HCL forms hydrochloride, sulfuric acid forms sulfate, tartaric forms tartrate etc. When smoked the salts will have significantly higher vapor temps andas a result product can be lost to combustion due to the high temps required for vaporisation. Acetate can be smoke as heat will cause the acetic acid to vaporise and break from the DMT molecule and the DMT will be free base. Free base just means that it is only the base molecule there and salt means that the base molecule is bonded with an acid (or base depending on the comound) to form a salt of the compound.

iirc this was a theory of Q21Q21, and its veracity has been questioned by some of the more chemistry-minded folk.

I left a dish with some DMT acetate goo sitting around for a good while, exposed to air and indirect light. When at a later date I attempted to redissolve it in water I found it was now insoluble, leading me to believe it had indeed reverted to the fb. On addition of a little acid the sample freely dissolved.

curious.
i have not had a similar situation happen with my jim-jam acetate, but i will try experimenting.

at first i was thinking oxidization, but that wouldn't re-dissolve in vinegar, would it?

Vitalstatistix, thanks. I have a better understanding now.