I'm making this thread to share my experience with this wonderful medicine. I know that the subject title might rile some people the completely wrong way, but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, so take it easy - me having this opinion doesn't make it so. I just have to share how I currently view things

Before I even began experimenting with Anahuasca, I read this article very carefully. It seemed reasonable to me, and I've always been open to challenging contemporary beliefs and dogma, so as my journeys progressively went on, I started to find out that I agreed with it - doing recreational stuff while you're tripping on this stuff is wonderful and orgasmic. Maybe not on the higher doses, but certainly on lower doses (~2g Rue and ~5g Chali/Jurema).

Yesterday, I got this confirmed beyond any possible doubt. Tripping with a friend (it was his first time), we had a fun and enlightening time the first ~2 hours of the trip. Then he went to the toilet, and I put on some music I really love to dance to. Oh. My. God. I flew up from my chair and starting dancing against and with the wall in my room like absolute fucking crazy. I've never let go like that before, not ever. I danced in spirals and everything with the visuals of Mario Kart Double Dash (I had been playing it earlier in the trip and it seemingly influenced what I was seeing a lot). I've never had so much fun in my whole life, ever. It was the best release I could even imagine. Dancing on Ecstasy was waltzing in comparison. Later, when my friend had gotten used to what tripping was kind of all about (he had only done Ecstasy and Alcohol prior to this), he agreed to follow me to a night club. I've never dared to dance on such a place before, but with DMT in my system it was the most natural thing in the world, and the judgement of those who were there (that I've always felt before) became a non-issue. Today I've been so happy about it all that I've been glowing and bouncing around and smiling all day

This was only 2g Syrian Rue and 4g Chaliponga, and it was consumed all in powder (which was inspired by this thread). Hardly any nausea whatsoever, and the high is just perfect for doing recreational stuff.

I don't think, however, that Anahusca can be a party drug for those unfamiliar with it or those who are "bad people" living unhealthy lives and in denial about stuff. But once you've gotten its trust, once you're living the good life you want to live and you know how to trip on it, I can literally not imagine anything more crazy wonderful than doing the recreational things you love to do otherwise on Anahuasca. It's going to let you go wild without any conceivable restrictions. I've yet to have sex on it, but I have no doubt in my mind that it would be infinitely orgasmic, raw, wild and just wonderful and hilarious, judging by how it was to dance on it.

So, this is basically my trip report from last night combined with what it taught me. Feel free to tell me what you think

I'm glad to hear you had so much fun. The title of your thread is sure to ruffle a bunch of feathers The thing to consider is that you did get lucky this time. It worked out, and it definitely has the potential to be fun. As you can see, this fun can even be rather therapeutic in its own right as it guides you energetically through its magical dances and whatnot. Having said that, it's important to consider that this was an isolated experience. There's no guarantee that it will always be like that (odds stacked against you depending on how frequently you decide to take it). In addition the nausea is often a sure-fire way to kill the recreational element, and I'm not sure if there was any present in your trip, but there certainly is for some, and while it is often relieved with a thorough purge, said purge is not guaranteed (especially when working with rue) and the nausea and its uncomfortable nauseating energy can be present throughout the duration of a trip, which let me tell you is no fun time.

Of course there is a difference between a party of two and a party of fifty.

And people like their party drugs to be consistent.

That doesn't mean that you can't have fun on psychedelics though.

My friend had a similar experience to you with rue and mimosa at an orb gig. He was pretty crazy and would take any drug going, he was a drug addict. But he wanted to take it, insisted so my friend made it up for him and off we went, we took mushrooms and had an amazing time but he seemed to be having a much better time and loved it, we couldn't imagine it and would never do it but it does happen though as Global says it is kinda rare for such things to be used like that, nausea being the main one!

Yep, you initially annoyed me with the title and the mentioning of XTC.

However, it's all good. You were able to push your own boundaries - going out and dancing in public - so that's a wonderful example of how "Ayahuasca" (Rue) can be of practical benefit to someone besides alleviating heavy issues.

I might try it, also not liking it too much to dance in clubs. Will have to try this stuff out a bit. At least in higher doses all my demons - literally and figuratively - come out. Don't want that happening at a party.

Still, people going out with this stuff is a sure way to ban the sale of all the ingredients online. Accidents are prone to happen.

Very cool to hear ive had good experiences and bad expereinces as when i first started smoking changa it was always at psytrance parties with loads of nutters around and after awhile id find myself hiding from my own friends in the bushes cause I wasnt keen to be around those crazy people.

I have found that after the initial trip from changa I feel rejuvinated and can run up mountains or dance holes in the ground Most probably different with ayahuasca. Still have always had my best trips with DMT with just one other mate with me.

Interesting...

I take it there was no nausea then? Because I can't imagine purging at a party would be much fun at all? Plus there's the taste... yuck.

I know Ayahuasca is considered a sacrament and everything but my one experience with it had pretty much no spiritual element, but it wasn't particularly fun either.

Glad it worked for you.

BOY I OTTA!!

Oh yeah. It was fun and therapeutic both at the same time indeed


Well, that's the thing that I don't think I believe in. And it's not just based on my own limited experience. My friend, who does it a whole lot more often than me, has (nausea aside) only ever had 2 bad trips, one of which changed his life for the better and for always. His depression was cured, as all the irrational thoughts that he had been carrying around in his head for years were looping like crazy for hours, all the while it was being explained to him that these thoughts were meaningless and that his guilt and shame simply didn't matter. Anyway, this is out of roughly 30+ recreational trips like this for him (I'm guessing, as he does it at least 3-4 times every week and has done so for months now). He says that it's a lot better than Cannabis (which he used to be a frequent smoker of as a way to escape his depression and the life he didn't enjoy).

We've talked about it a lot and we both agree that there's no reason that it cannot be used this way. The shamans in the jungle use it daily (they may not claim to enjoy it in the same orgasmic manner, but whatever), and really I see no problem with it. As long as it's understood that every trip may have a theme, and occasionally one of them will be perceived as 'bad' (or rather healing), and one is familiar with and accepting about everything about the substance, I say go for it.

Ever since my fifth time, when I broke through some kind of weird super-human veil on 5g Mimosa, I've felt it ever since whenever the DMT hits. It's like breaking out of a shell or something, it's completely redonkulous but so indescribably wonderful and I just want to do everything I enjoy on it. On my to do list, for instance, is crasy-wild sex, table tennis, hiking and tanning I think it's the whole "coming in contact with the human body"-thing that's happening, because you connect with your entire mundane existence and learn to enjoy it so very, very much.

This is the best graphical equivalent I can find to illustrate what it's like, from 09:25-10:05. I guess this is kind of normal?



Actually, having puked three times on the stuff by now, I have no problem with the purge anymore. It's completely natural and feels like a big part of the trip. It's like the experience is merged with the purging, somehow. Puking on LSA is just puking when you're high, you know, but puking on Anahuasca feels real and coordinated, as if the substance knows exactly what it's doing and has been doing it forever and was programmed for it. My last purge I was danced into the bathroom without hardly even noticing it

But for people who don't feel this way, sure, it's going to kill the recreational feel of it. But I do think one can learn to enjoy the purge It's all about attitude!


I agree, you can never know what's going to happen in any particular instance of doing this stuff. But as long as that's understood, and one is living a healthy physical, spiritual and psychological life, I can't see Mother Ana not letting us have fun most of the time Although, she does require my attention a snippet of every trip - there's always something she wants to tell me about myself before she lets me go crazy. This last trip, for instance, she demanded my attention a lot in the beginning when I was focusing too much on how my friend was doing, and told me to remember to enjoy and learn from the trip myself as well.

And I must emphasize something I forgot to add in the original post, and that is that I don't think Anahuasca could be a party drug at this time in history. I think that most people are having way too toxic lifestyles for her not to veto the shit out of them when they take this stuff, but then again, maybe that applies to other psychedelics as well, I wouldn't really know. But my friend has explicitly confronted her about this stuff, as have I to a lesser extent, and she is completely cool with it, as long as we take care of ourselves.


Yeah, sounds awesome Dancing with your own imagination is the shit.

I've been told by the voice of Mother Ana that she's tired (by now) of my laying down when it starts and being in prime position to notice the changes (the sacred silence and darkness). She wants me to just be myself and do the things I usually do when I'm tripping. And I think that's the way to trip the best overall, and only lie down when it becomes too much or when she urges you to do so at that particular instance


Yeah no, I would never take a dosage I wasn't completely familiar with and just go out, no. And if it started heading south and out of control, I'd go home ASAP. I completely agree that it has to be done with caution, especially in this paranoid age as to not cast more shit on these substances through the media.

Btw, why didn't you like that I mentioned XTC as a party drug?


Yeah! When I'm high I can stand up and watch entire movies, and when I stand against the wall, it's as if I'm lying on it. There is no such thing as things being "too demanding" or "tiring" when I'm where I want to be in DMT-space.

And yes, it might/will sound crazy to people when I say that Mother Ana talks to me and that she has opinions on things, but it really is like that. Is that something common? Because I literally feel as if there's an external persona to this voice.

If your taking real ayahuasca style doses, like they do traditionally in the jungle you are not going to be leaving the bed. Obviously you are not taking that level of a dose. Just understand this please. You are taking pretty low doses if you are going out to clubs. On a full visionary dose of ayahuasca jungle style it is going to be hard to even walk in a strait line..the ataxia is enough to not want to move and vomiting can go on for quite some time.

Noone is immume to that IME. At a full dose everyone is flattened with ayahuasca.

What you are talking about is NOT the kind of thing that many others are talking about, obviously. Many people that do work in shamanic circles with ayahuasca spend the night on the floor vomiting stuck to the floor with visions so thick that you cant make out the rest of the room for an hour of the peak.

I can do lots of things on a low dose of ayahuasca. I could probly go surfing on a low dose of ayahuasca. Full on visionary doses though I cant do anything but lay down, sit up and vomit.

Done it. Done it. Done it... not into tanning.

But done it in wellness tons. (Sauna, massage, steambath, mudbath, whirlpool... it goes on)

The best for me is Floatation Sensory Deprivation Tank.


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Now that you have said that it can not be a party drug in this time, I can basically agree with you. I mean who hasn't gotten to that wonderful place on Aya where you realize that no other drug even comes close to being as cool?

If you are familiar enough with it, you can get to the point where you can use it in ways that would ordinarily be ill advised... for newcomers anyway.

If you dial your pharma just right or cook your aya down to a goo... you can actually take aya capsules that don't elicit purging. (don't tell anyone) I mean you may purge, but it is certainly not something you expect to happen. In fact, at a certain point in your relationship with Mother Aya... you can drink the wateriest of brews and hold it all down. Never purge.

Still, I must urge that you maintain the maximum respect for the substance. In your superhuman state, you often feel you can do anything... and you certainly can do stuff that you would normally not imagine possible. BUT!!! You only have to mess up once to seriously clusterf*ck yourself. It is all too easy to end up dead or in jail if you forget what kinda sick game we are playing on this planet... in this time. In fact, the more common outcome is ending up in the locked ward of a mental hospital.

You don't want this.

So, if you choose to walk a path where you are using ayahuasca regularly for some period of time, I will not discourage you. All ayahuasceros walk that path at some point. Just, slow down and remember to be smart.

In the end, I challenge the premise of aya being a party drug because of one thing no one here is mentioning... the MAO Inhibition.

This has been much more of an issue and deciding factor than anything else. You absolutely have to respect the inhibition. Meaning 1) no alcohol 2) no stims 3) no pharms etc. etc. and that to ignore this can lead to your death. Introducing aya into a party environment is asking for trouble. Someone will wind up dying. How easy is it to be on aya and just reflexively pop a pill that some goa freak practically shoves down your throat when surrounded by a party? How easy to just go ahead and drink with everyone... "It can't be that bad?"

No.

It can be. Even for people who should know better. How much worse for someone who gets given it at a party without really knowing much (if anything) about it?

Even being OCD about it, I have made a few mistakes... like taking 1 and a half sips of coffee the morning after... before remembering that I was coming off aya. I felt basically sober already... but tell that to my heart feeling like it was going to burst for the next 45 min until my MAO inhibition wore off. (note: it was wild coffee)

I guarantee you that if aya becomes something that gets passed around at parties... people will die. Worse than the GHB epidemic back in the day. People WILL combine it with meth, X or lord knows what... and poof! We will start hearing about horrific Seratonin Syndrome and the like. Aya will be called the "dangerous new killer drug from the jungles" on the TV. And, before you know it, they will have breathalizers that can test for aya.

I kid you not.

As a young guy who enjoys a good party... it is YOUR duty to make sure this never happens.

Seriously... I have done my time as the life guard on the sea of harmaline.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something. I have driven a car while tripping before, and I'm capable of it, but should I do that? Absolutely not. It's not safe. The same is applicable here.

If a person drinks ayahauasca and sings and dances spiritual songs such as Santo Daime, that's considered a spiritual experience.

If a person does this outside of the UVE or Daime its condemned. This is a contradiction as well as hypocritical if you ask me. I personally wouldn't be caught dead in a Daime group, nor would I wish to drink ayahausca in a social setting such as a party but i wouldn't ever condone nor condemn either. Its not my place nor is it anyone elses.



Drink how you see fit, explore as you are called to. If you expanded your mind and consciousness the evening you wrote about who has the right to say you did it right or wrong? Nobody.

Same way mushrooms can be great for partying and actually build your ego up. These things are more flexible than people realize. You just need to be confident but not overly cocky, I find that psychedelics 'respond' well to this. Shrooms in particular and I find aya to be very similar to them, but more risky because of the random effectiveness of it.

But as hyperspace fool mentioned, MAOI can be limiting at a party, but if you didn't plan on drinking then what's the problem ?

Smart stable minded people can handle these things and adapt to more situations whilst using them, abusing them can mean being scared into never experiencing shrooms on a good night out, which is a shame. There are many sides to these substances, some of which are less popular here it would seem, but we tend to err on the side of safety here, so I suppose that's a good thing.

There are two things you wrote that 'ruffled my feathers'



Why harsh waltzing? It is a wonderful experience when you are connected to your partner. Imagine if instead of that wall, you were dancing with flesh and blood syncronized your every move. Ah, bliss!



Why harsh bad, unhealthy, denying people? Those are some of my best friends, and also me much of the time-- well it's actually pretty much everyone. Aya is a teacher that can show us what's inside, and it ain't always pretty.

I think it is wonderful that you had the experience you did. It sounds like exactuly what you needed at this juncture. I hope that you will check in more as you go further in your journey-- I want to read how this evolves.

Be wary of this mentality. Stay humble. On another note, don't ever come to my place and drink one of my brews, your "super clean" existence might not be dancing and you may realize your own lifestyle is more toxic than you thought :-)

happy you had a good time, dance on.