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Maybe this idea is completely crazy but I've been thinking about it for a few days and it seems like something that may work: My idea was to acquire gel capsules in two different sizes, encapsulating my DMT fumarate doses in the smaller capsules and then putting that capsule and the MAOI extract inside the larger one. Taking into account that gelatin capsules dissolve in the stomach in around 45min - 1hr wouldn't it be enough time for the MAOI to take effect before the DMT in the smaller capsule begins to get absorbed? This way you could have your pharmahuasca in a neat package, easily transportable and easily administered, just swallow the caps and wait. If this plan is complete insanity or if it has already been done just let me know but if I'm on to something this could make things a lot easier. "Do more of what makes you happy"
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 Shamanic Engineer
Posts: 77 Joined: 29-Jan-2011 Last visit: 29-May-2018 Location: Scandinavia
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The idea has indeed been talked about here before. And I think you are wrong about the 45-1h for a capsule to dissolve.
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Posts: 648 Joined: 06-Apr-2012 Last visit: 01-Apr-2017 Location: Old continent
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Some people on this forum point to the fact that with "traditional Ayahuasca", you ingest both Harmalas and DMT at the same time; so I was thinking why not trying to do the same with Pharmahuasca? In your case, this would mean stuffing Harmalas and DMT into just one capsule. I haven´t done this experiment myself yet - still planning to - but... if you have access to both Harmalas and DMT, why not figuring this puzzle by yourself through careful and responsible experimenting (and informing us about it afterwards)?
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 Knowledge is power, at the price of losing the bliss of ignorance
Posts: 370 Joined: 19-Apr-2013 Last visit: 30-May-2018 Location: The Singularity
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I was trying to figure waysto do this aswell,maybe if you could coat the capsule with salt/freebase maoi extracts of syrian rue or something? Or maybe somehow make the capsule out of the maoi? I wonder if we can for things by semi heating and placing in sometype of a mold so a capsule made of MAOI to hold the DMT? = win! Understand: Nature knows no EVIL, Nature knows no GOOD, people know these things, because we perceive these things, with the gift of senses given to us at birth. A good or bad experience is simply a bridge to a another existential time frame, so always live in the moment and make every one a positive moment!
Any and all posts or interactions are to be held as my fictional writings/short stories or dreams. I may even have some delirium setting in, I've never been tested for it. The only exception to this is the statement about nature above, I feel this is a fact!
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Posts: 5267 Joined: 01-Jul-2010 Last visit: 13-Dec-2018
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You should try it out and let us know how it goes. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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Posts: 1711 Joined: 03-Oct-2011 Last visit: 20-Apr-2021
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Michal_R wrote:Some people on this forum point to the fact that with "traditional Ayahuasca", you ingest both Harmalas and DMT at the same time; so I was thinking why not trying to do the same with Pharmahuasca? Argument of tradition shouldn't be valid... many people have successfully used both taken at the same time, but plain logic suggests that if MAO enzymes are not yet properly inhibited when ingesting DMT, part of that DMT may be deaminated and thus the dose may be less efficient. I prefer to wait between dosing harmalas and DMT, but I don't use capsules - which takes out of the equation the variable time for the capsule material to dissolve. To Jarppi, definitely try it and report back. An idea to consider was suggested by Corpus Callosum here, concerning the use of gastro-resistant capsules in order to release the actives in the bowel instead of the stomach. If I were to try your idea, I would use a gastro-resistant cap for DMT (in salt form), and a standard gelatine cap on top for the harmalas. This may allow for the harmalas to be absorbed first and still keep the dose portable in one single large capsule. But perhaps that should be another assay to follow the first. "The Menu is Not The Meal." - Alan Watts
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