I doubt it is. I'm starting to see that this substance is not as safe as people make it out to be. People harp on that it is physically safe and for the most part it is but the from the spiritual side it is a much more complicated affair. I read recently that Terrence Mckenna tried to give DMT to the shamans in the amazon and they refused and Mckenna himself got brain cancer and not only that, alot of these Shamans have blindness and missing limbs and shit, it's pretty weird really. The shamans know their shit and they knew not to dabble in the astral THAT far especially without training. Alot of people idolize this Mckenna guy but I feel like he wasn't fully aware of what he was doing. Also theres a place that the shamans call the 'outer darkness', in a sense it's the dark side where the warlocks, twisted witches, dark aliens and other very bad juju resides and I NOW beleive that DMT can take you there and it's NOT FUCKING safe. I'm sick of everyone here saying this stuff is safe, it's NOT safe, why do you think Shamans stayed away from Mckenna's stash, they knew that it wasn't to be fucking trifled with! It's power and complete access to the depths of wherever and yeah do you really know what your barganing with? Did Mckenna? Hell no! Also all this insectoid, reptillian, alien vibe you sometimes get with this stuff just feels wrong, evil and fucked, even the occasional carnival atmosphere just feels damn wrong, like some kind of fucking satanic circus or some shit. It seems like DMT has an agenda and they flavour it with this sugar coated. cartoon niceness but undearneath theres some weirdass creepy magic going on, it's definetely a creepy scence, you know kinda like merry go round music but somethings off key. I'm not saying don't do this but be on your toes with this stuff, it's got fangs and it's not to be TRUSTED! What this shit really does to you on the astral level is anyones guess but all I have to say is your dicing with the devil with this stuff. Just be careful.

Yeah, and everyone that participated in Strassman's study actually turned into a tumor. No one thought it was possible but they lost all their limbs and turned into cancer balls with satanic warlock powers. They actually gave mckenna brain cancer - while he was out in hyperspace they pew pew lazer beamed his brain with little clusters of tumor. They actually live off of tumor juice, so they have to infect people with cancer and sporadically feed off of them. But then again, you already knew all of this.

Yeah ok asshole, you know exactly what goes on with this shit huh? Shamans are scared to touch it but you think it's all good, oh yeah better run off and listen to Mckenna spout of how it's harmless. You think the spirit realm isn't dangerous especially after you blast yourself into it without the proper training and protection? You heard of Dark Shamans in the amazon being possesed while on DMT and then practicing dark withcraft on people? So you know what you are REALLY doing?? You have no idea. Go ahead and keep smoking it dipshit, it's your soul.

[quote:450dda433b="litrium"]Yeah ok asshole, you know exactly what goes on with this shit huh? Shamans are scared to touch it but you think it's all good, oh yeah better run off and listen to Mckenna spout of how it's harmless. You think the spirit realm isn't dangerous especially after you blast yourself into it without the proper training and protection? You heard of Dark Shamans in the amazon being possesed while on DMT and then practicing dark withcraft on people? So you know what you are REALLY doing?? You have no idea. Go ahead and keep smoking it dipshit, it's your soul.[/quote:450dda433b] I thought you were trolling, so i gave replied in the manner a troll deserves, but apparently you're just an idiot.

Is it impossible for the two of you to accept each others opinions? I've also felt that you need to be very careful with this stuff. And I'm on my toes. And I know it's not a very natural process to extract DMT and then smoke it. Far from it. I've also felt like DMT has it's own agenda. Maybe that's one of the things that makes it interesting and exciting. I've only smoked DMT 3 times but every time I had a blasting experience. And every time I've felt like DMT somehow tricked me to smoke it. All 3 times my first thought when blasting off was "Damn! I've been tricked again". But then I maybe had a magnificent experience. I just got some more spice and I will smoke that but then I'm sticking with shrooms and I want to try Ayahuasca some day. Eating mushrooms is a natural thing. Smoking freebase DMT is not! But that's how I look at it and I don't give a fuck how others see it. I'm not going to tell you what's right and what's wrong. And I make up my own mind.

[quote:853908a822="litrium"] Also all this insectoid, reptillian, alien vibe you sometimes get with this stuff just feels wrong, evil and fucked, even the occasional carnival atmosphere just feels damn wrong, like some kind of fucking satanic circus or some shit. It seems like DMT has an agenda and they flavour it with this sugar coated. cartoon niceness but undearneath theres some weirdass creepy magic going on, it's definetely a creepy scence, you know kinda like merry go round music but somethings off key. [/quote:853908a822] I hear you man. It<s also my point. I'm ABSOLUTLY NOT sure that i should ''surrender'' when i encouter this kind of madness. Some nice beings come they are smilling, you follow them, and next thing you know is that they are the devil in disguise and they rape your virgin spiritual ass. Last time i went to the dentist, i got flash memories of mantid entities probing me ; i was feeling uneasy somehow. Hehe.. that's schizoid. What i want and need, is some guidance. A god damn field book. Something to help me navigate through this. Because iam positive that, if we develop some better ways to do this... hehe the possibility are crazy!

[quote:6aecc478ac]I just got some more spice and I will smoke that but then I'm sticking with shrooms and I want to try Ayahuasca some day. Eating mushrooms is a natural thing. Smoking freebase DMT is not! [/quote:6aecc478ac] For me, mushrooms are as crazy as DMT. I am sensitive to psychedelic drugs i guess. The more i take them, the less i need. But with 5 grams of horseshit-grown-potent stuff, things are even scarier than with dmt. Longer, just as weird, ultra intense. A dose high enough is like... each waves that comes is like a dmt flash. It's freak, freak, freak. At least, for me it is. At lesser dosages, i can somehow control things, it feelsnicer to me. I feel more in control. High doses are cool, and you have to do it. But i dont feel that you can bring anything back from high doses. It's too much. You are smashed to the ground and absolutly not in control. You put yourself at the mercy ofany entities that wants to eat you for diner. Sometine i read trip reports on erowid. I read some reports where people eat 7 grams of mushrooms, 5 grams of rue ect, all in one sitting, and at time 0+3h , they are still able to light up a weed pipe? How they do that? At that point, i woulnd be able to know what a pipe is.

There's a difference between an opinion, and spewing out false conjecture based on poor information. Anyone with the ability reason and the ability to use something simple.. like lets say... Google - would not have made either post that litrium made. I don't mind people having different opinions, ever, they are the catalyst for good debates, help refine and revise ideas. If you're going to make a post that you want people to take seriously it should be backed up with links from credible sources, should not include the words dip-shit or asshole, etccccccccc "The shamans know their shit and they knew not to dabble in the astral THAT far especially without training. Alot of people idolize this Mckenna guy but I feel like he wasn't fully aware of what he was doing. Also theres a place that the shamans call the 'outer darkness', in a sense it's the dark side where the warlocks, twisted witches, dark aliens and other very bad juju resides and I NOW beleive that DMT can take you there and it's NOT FUCKING safe." Prove it - or just resort to calling me an asshole and telling me im giving my soul over to the dark shamans possessed on DMT chilling in the astral reals trying to jack my soul - or what have you.

[quote:ec2ee48704="Implants"]There's a difference between an opinion, and spewing out false conjecture based on poor information. Anyone with the ability reason and the ability to use something simple.. like lets say... Google - would not have made either post that litrium made. I don't mind people having different opinions, ever, they are the catalyst for good debates, help refine and revise ideas. If you're going to make a post that you want people to take seriously it should be backed up with links from credible sources, should not include the words dip-shit or asshole, etccccccccc "The shamans know their shit and they knew not to dabble in the astral THAT far especially without training. Alot of people idolize this Mckenna guy but I feel like he wasn't fully aware of what he was doing. Also theres a place that the shamans call the 'outer darkness', in a sense it's the dark side where the warlocks, twisted witches, dark aliens and other very bad juju resides and I NOW beleive that DMT can take you there and it's NOT FUCKING safe." Prove it - or just resort to calling me an asshole and telling me im giving my soul over to the dark shamans possessed on DMT chilling in the astral reals trying to jack my soul - or what have you.[/quote:ec2ee48704] There is nothing to prove here. Smoke it and you'll see. THe point litrium is trying to make is that no one knows for sure. A lot of people smoking dmt ( or eating tons of shrooms) have entity contact ( strassman - spirit molecule, Mckenna - true hallucinations ). And the evil circus twisted wrong insect thing is there in alot of those trip reports. The reports Graham Hancock makes in the book supernatural are pretty eloquent, i'm not with him on his revisionist history thing but ah well. Not to ramble.. The thing is, as of now, the hypothesis that these bad/wrong/ugly/ass raping entitys comes from ''our minds'' is less likely than the one saying that they are indeed coming from another dimension or something. Curanderos of south america thinks that they are from outside of our minds ( biography of maria sabina, shamans of the amazon video documentary, ralph metzner - ayahuasca, pablo amaringo painting book ) So... the last time i got bitten on my right side by an hyperspace mantid, and that this horrible thing seemed to happen before the creation of time and all... hum why have i weird physical feelings since then? When some insects try to take hold of me, what does it means? When some nice entitys are cool with me and are making beautifull music are trying to convince me to hook myself up to a machine chair, what do they want? ( it was great by the way, i connected myself, they were all doingit anyway, really nice folks, a little stange but great people.... .. . ) And why, WHY does it have to be soooooo dark most of the time. Hey, fuck this, as far as i am concerned, we are not in control. Most ofthe time, the only thing i am trying to do on DMT or high dose mushroom is to save my god damn life ! Lots of times it feels -wrong- and insectoid and everything. Believe me, a giant octopus without any sense of compassion that is possesing 20838926353 UGLY EYES PULSATING WITH HORROR is no good. And then, the octopus tries to probe you? And this is really physical, not nice, scary ect. But in the mind of this being it is just like saying ''hello , who are you? ''. To lots of these entitys, we are like cattle it seems? Oh yeah, i will never forget the sense of humanity i got while i was droped off a spaceship after some chirurgical shit and the message by them was ''hehe, usually humans dont notice, you as an individual is somehow smart but... humans are as just as stupid as cows, so dont count on us to enlighten you, andd ont move while we do our things, it's for your own good in the end anyway. '' well well héhé, Thing is, we [u:ec2ee48704]DONT KNOW [/u:ec2ee48704] what we are dealing with!!!! Not at all!!! And we are fucking alone, i mean, i know probably less than 10 people that are aware of these psychedelic dimensions... ( and i live in a big city and know lots of people) :S:S:S

OK, freddy, long story short because im at work and should probably do some - I agree with you to a large extent. i get and understand your point. Ive done the high dose trips and have had entities crawl into me, inspect my soul, take pieces of it. I cant even remember the end of my first trip, and wonder if it really ever ended. the last thing i can remember of it is watching myself from outside of my body walk further and further away from myself. Im simply talking about a plausible link between DMT and cancer, between supposed possessions and actual, documented medical, legitimate substantiated cases. You get what im saying bro? I dont mind the questions, but touting like you have the answer and that all were doing is wrong and detrimental to our health... well.. back it up or gtfo imo.

Has anyone read into the sumarian..Nibiru...planet X..the Anunnaki??? all that good stuff? Perhaps our insectoid type visuals and experiences stem from our reptilian creators. I'm not saying i believe that, but it's a possible reason why we have those types of visions. Somehow they are in our brain already, but are not accessed in normal consciousness. As far as DMT being safe, I don't see any reason to think otherwise. I've not personally (or seen anyone else) lose any limbs or come down with a case of the aids. Hell I haven't had anything more severe then a cold for the past 5-6 years, lol. Damn DMT giving me a cold i tell ya, it's just not safe!!

I would not apply the word 'safe' to DMT, but then, what's safe ? Oily food is not safe, nor sugar, nor... you know the point. Then what about shamans ? Hey ! I'm reading a small book about them and that guys ingest and smoked huge quantities of crazy plants all over their life (includings pure tobacco leaves and many more exotic things). No doubts that some of them may have some health problems. Also note that amazionan forrest is not the safest place on earth. Trying to make a relationship betweend DMT smoked and shamans seems useless to me. That said, I would be curious to know what's left else than DMT on a DMT crystall even after a recrystallisation.

[quote:0a124cc5d2="XENONSION"]I've not personally (or seen anyone else) lose any limbs or come down with a case of the aids.[/quote:0a124cc5d2] Spit my drink out, thanks xeno.

Oh yeah, as far as cancer and all that... well... maybe it does cause it.. who knows but probably it dosent I personaly think that it is relatively -physically- safe enough. But still, we are dealing with realitys and beings and stuff that is really weird and lots of times plain evil/bad/wrong. And please, dont give me the '' it's some part of you thatyou dont accept '' or the '' that's because of yhour childhood'' or anything haha! I know a guy that is boudhist oriented and have some experience with psychedelics. What he says is that it all emanate from the oneness. So the oneness is our ultimate essence. So, the entitys are only a part of you. I kind of agree with him. But, huh, unless you are totally unconscious or dead, you are still in a body, and the insects and everything are so nasty that part of me or not... umm i dont know.. What we have to do is nuke them up, and put an American flag in their town afterward hahahahaha No seriously, maybe we can measure their sound frequency or something and build a device that will generate some inaudible hyperspace noise that will kill them instantly. Better, we could try to find the way to contact less evil kind of beings and convince them to smash the fuck out of the insects. I actually tried this once. I met some typical grays. They are always nice with me. Not evil looking. They smile all the time. They are extremely evolved and smart. And the hyperspace noise they generate is so complex and beautiful thati wonder how they pull it off. Well, long story short, they told me that the insects were not nice, but not so much evolved, and the only thing that is to do is show compassion and acceptance. They were too evolved too fight... They gave me some kind of bizarre jewell crown/necklace and kindof ''blessed'' me. They told me that i would come back one day and that i was now part of them. Hum... where is the asylum?

That's right jenkins. It's seductive and lala nice but right underneath something is telling you "fuck, this is SO WRONG". It's like your a white dude and you walked into the WRONG ghetto and know your gonna get fucked with big TIME. This wrong vibe is so prevelant like you are now WAYY out of your depth and these things fuck with you because they can. Read that Pablo Amiringo picture book where the Shaman paints his Aya visions and then talks about em. Theres heaps of accounts of evil Shamans loading up on Aya and then hanging out with strange demonic creatures which give them the power to inflicit evil spells on their enemies. OK implants, false conjecture huh? Yeah let's see one of these nice happy experiances some one posted on here shall we?: " had an experience recently.. I had consumed a fairly mild but effective dose of aya and decided a few hours in to smoke some acacia spice. It was beautiful! so very beautiful., I made love to a plant i think, with every esence of my being i swirled in ecstatic alignment with it. As i returned i was compelled to smoke more. I took a big hit and held it in and str8 away the sky darkened rather ominecly and the buzz began!! I/it vibrated so furiously that it threatened to burst my ear drums. As the buzzing deepened I went further and further into layers and layers of visuals. They were moving far too rapidly to make any sence of. Soon I was travelling so deep that i became curious as to the where abouts of my body (big mistake). Basically as soon as i thought it i was back in my body but it wasnt my own! I had this wierd feeling in my throat that felt like something being pushed down it. I poked out my tongue to make sure that i wasnt chocking on it and was horrified to see that it was extremely long and reptilian like! I tried to ignore this so again closed my eyes. The feeling in my throat didnt leave me and i 'realised' that there was indeed something being pushed into me. I suddenly had the feeling that something very alien was implanting something in me. I had the destinct feeling that they had seduced me to come deeper so that they could implant a communications device into me! " Wow implants, that sounds so healthy and empowering and nice huh? Getting an alien to push an implant down your astral throat while your possesed by some kind of Reptillian bitch ass mofo. Wow that's always been MY dream. Or then there was that Strassman patient that got butt raped by Alligator men, yep that would have been a joyous and spiritualy uplifitng experiance huh? And theres SO many of these kind of experiances and my own experiances, even though their different they ALSO have exactly this same vibe, aliens fucking and disecting your soul or eating parts of you. It's like in those spaces your nothing and these things treat you like shit just like we treat cows and sheep like shit. Your just a commodity that they exploit for their benifit but they buy and sell and eat your spiritual, not physical self, fucking astral butchers or some shit. Just think about it for a minute, does THAT sound safe to you?? This shit isn't just in your mind. You have a soul thats normaly protected and DMT drops all those defenses and now you better pray some ancient demon king isn't hungry or interested in you... Heh, also H.P lovecraft is a good way to describe alot of these realms, like Cthulu esc, weirder than weird but definetly bad and not your friend!! I feel like Lovecraft was naturally channeling some of this shit from the DMT realms, it's pretty similiar. The worst bit is who knows what the spiritual reprecussions are? Sure you don't look any and feel any different after a DMT session but maybe astrally your body has all sorts of fucked up implants and other bad crap in it. Man DMT is a gamble, it's like Ok I'll go in to take a look at the otherside but the otherside aint always nice, this DMT has strings attached and fucking evil cosmic contracts in fineprint.

Bad trips can occur with any drug. lsd, shrooms, mescaline, etc. They all have their dark side. Personally, I've had worse trips on shrooms then DMT. I can say I've honestly never cried out loud from fear during a dmt trip.

Ok here's another view. Maybe the human body/mind/soul is a perfectly balanced organism just like a t.v or radio. When you 'smoke' the D which is not NATURAL in the least you are amplifying something which is not ment to be amplified to a oblitaratingly high level, sort of like putting the volume to max or fucking around with a t.v like saturating the color and contrast to max. Also it's damn weird and creepy that not many of you Dmsters are talking about the dark and scary shit that you most of the time encounter with this stuff, it's like your in denial or you want a newb to experiance it for himself without telling him of the dangers, wtf?! Any newbs out there, think twice, this stuff is NO game, it's deadly serious cosmic/astral/soul shit that your dealing with here! Elkabong I just read your report, and you think this was a good thing huh? "Our story reminds me of the 'brainlingus' I once had from a very large snake. It was a she-snake, enormous, and her skin was the wall-paper of the play-pen like room I was in. The 'room' was intitally populated with little children - the 'ninyos' - but suddenly the whole wall fromwhich the children emegrged turned into the jeweled skin of the mother of all, loving, serpents... circling me Each diamond-jeweled shape on the skin of her gigantic body swirlled around me and then her mouth-head end ate me whole .!... but first I got a good, orgasmic 'probing' from her tongue; brainlingus ! ..! The ninyos are a whole other story though ..."

I"ve not encountered any such things on my trips. Only playful, colorful, fun minded events. I would for sure warn anyone i was about to administer DMT to about the risk of a bad trip though.

[quote:b8a2b3ca9c]sort of like putting the volume to max or fucking around with a t.v like saturating the color and contrast to max. [/quote:b8a2b3ca9c] Yeah, good picture ! Exactly what I meant in another topic. [quote:b8a2b3ca9c]this stuff is NO game, it's deadly serious cosmic/astral/soul shit that your dealing with here![/quote:b8a2b3ca9c] Can you seriously try to envisage that there is NO astral things huh ? It's 'just' your own mind... (although 'just' is nearer the infinite side of the universe). Assuming that, how to envisage that ones mind is 'safe' or 'not safe' ? Hah, yes, indeed some mind are'nt that safe

Oh yeah Garulfo, experianced shamans have for thousands of years been talking about other coexisting realities and other dimensional beings, the other planes and now even science is learning to uncover the weird multidimensional nature of reality with superstrings, m theory and many other cutting edge discoveries but since you don't decide to look at that it's all in the mind huh? Yeah well maybe nature or reality is fractal and your soul isn't constricted by size limitations like it is in this reality and neither are those beings you encounter. Stop thinking with this shallow 21'st century empiracal view of things and broaden your horizons. This shit is NOT from your mind, it's too out their, too alien and WAY to fucken weird to be anything coming from me. I don't think DMT is bad, maybe their could be some positive use for it in the future, but smoking the shit can be compared to alcohol, having one beer is fine but drinking 2 bottles of vodka is dangerous, that's how I view smoked DMT. It's too much, too soon and it's not safe.