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iracema
#1 Posted : 4/19/2013 3:36:31 AM

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I'm calling nexians attention to one important aspect of psychedelic experience, the underestimated post-effect.
if you go to any traditional ceremony, the first thing a shaman will ask you is: what do you want to achieve from doing this?
you see, the focus is on the post-effect, not the experience itself, and clueless people are sometimes not allowed to participate.
the effect moment is amazing, but life continues and the real challenge is to concretize, on daily basis, all the orientation you received.

take for instance the fisherman metaphor from Terence McKenna, you go fishing, it's exciting, fun and all.
but you need to get back on the ground and bring something to feed from for some time.
that's why traditions have defined frequency for the ceremonies, once a week, twice a month, at lunar cycles...
seems to be a period just enough to enjoy the post-effect.

so I would love to see reports, not only from the hyperspace traveling, but also from the return.
what of interest did you bring from there and concretized into your life?
one of the first things I got was this need to synchronize with the sun.
as it rises I'm waking up, as it sets I'm gradually getting tired, just can't stand much along the night.
this thing alone helped me in so many ways.
 

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#2 Posted : 4/19/2013 4:20:50 PM
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I keep a journal focussing on what happened and what I learnt. Wow.
 
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#3 Posted : 4/20/2013 4:03:57 AM

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A huge thing imparted unto me by DMT comedowns and after effects was that chaos is natural, nature knows no good or evil, we as humans perceive so we feel good or evil intent in actions/reactions. As in we see good and evil but a bad time frame is simply a bridge between two other moments in time, and a good time frame is a bridge between two other moments in time.

24 hours after an interesting trip I had this random run on thought I decided to jot down take a look.

This has to do with evolution of consciousness and life:

One consciousness means two separate beings maybe one male energy one female energy. In love if one dies a free spirit. But good willed and "morally" outstanding. They join into the "greater consciousness" which is the oneness of either the male energy or female energy respectively. This is the Adam and Eve scenario. We are all part of two greater selves than separately we stand. This life... this "shell" is the "knowledge of good and evil" being played out into the greater consciousness, experiencing this reality as a human being or more rather MANY human beings. ALL AT ONCE. Evolution is change plain and simple nothing more nothing less.

ev·o·lu·tion

[ev-uh-loo-shuhn or, especially Brit., ee-vuh-] Show IPA

noun

1.
any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane.

2.
a product of such development; something evolved: The exploration of space is the evolution of decades of research.

3.
Biology . change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.

4.
a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.

5.
a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motions to produce a single action, as in a machine.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evolution

We change every second something in us is changing at every second... We are always evolving we always have been... perhaps death is a different form of evolution, where we experience either Ultimate Love or Ultimate Hate... Ultimate doesn't even sum it up... If we live a good life we just exist in a state of pure bliss, pure love. If we build our foundations upon hatred, then what can we expect in the afterlife...

The body is filled with boundless energy... this we know... maybe not boundless but damn near it. I mean Life is literally the only source of perpetual energy in the world. And here we've been trying to create it our entire lives. When we already harness perpetual energy. We are machines that create our own energy, and further more we create our own reality due to the life we lead and the choices we make during that life. Now as anyone who knows even a little bit about "energy" in the most literal sense knows, it cannot be created nor destroyed it can only be altered... manipulated or, changed(Evolved)... get it are you waking up yet? What exactly happens to this energy after we die? It would in theory just change somehow right, or more so, evolve?

Quantum mechanics shows that at the very base level of this study, if watching a particle it exists in one way or another yet it doesn't exist at all, simultaneously, but it only takes solid "shape" or sticks to routine (what we perceive) when we observe it. Everything we and everything we know... is made of something that exists yet doesn't exist all at once... Hologram maybe? We project our world via observation. Where create the goods and the evils of our worlds, and our own worlds are colliding, were all at war with each other, and we all EVERY HUMAN needs to just work in harmony. One god or many gods it doesn't matter, because why can't the things that are very small made of millions of tiny lifeforms making one larger or smaller life form continuously in either a positive multiplication or negative division. Whats more god like than? Other than every piece of matter in our entire universe, whether it be the very big, or the very small, It doesn't matter its all connected by some kind of molecule... in the expanse of things... we are a pin head... yet to us even the term pin head we know as "small", minute even... Yet what are we in the grand scheme of things... Lost souls trying to find peace... love... life... redemption?

These are thoughts opened to me by the doors of DMT, things that I can never get out of my head not a religious person but always seeking spiritual truth, throughout all cultural beliefs. These thoughts continue further and further into other theories and are just the beginning of things the after glow of DMT has showed me.
Understand: Nature knows no EVIL, Nature knows no GOOD, people know these things, because we perceive these things, with the gift of senses given to us at birth. A good or bad experience is simply a bridge to a another existential time frame, so always live in the moment and make every one a positive moment!

Any and all posts or interactions are to be held as my fictional writings/short stories or dreams. I may even have some delirium setting in, I've never been tested for it. The only exception to this is the statement about nature above, I feel this is a fact!
 
voyaj
#4 Posted : 4/20/2013 8:33:28 AM

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For me it has shed a lot of existential beliefs. I am much more open to many ideas. Some of the ideas it has raised are hair raising when I sit and think about what is this stuff and what does it mean about minds, humans, plants, life, the universe? I have always been very open minded, obviously, one must be open minded enough to take on the task of finding out what impact it could have on your life, for better or worse. I feel like I am much lighter since I really got into the spice. I feel happier more consistently, my dreams are something else and I am more accepting of many more things on a much deeper, fundamental level than before. It feels like wholesome compassion on a level I never knew.

What it did, I feel like, was it shed old skin, old routines, old trains of thought. It really was like saying, Arthur Rimbaud... A Season in Hell, I love you, but it is time to move my mentality forward beyond these old facades of old Godard/Bergman films, somewhat dark superficial obsessions that I needed to move past. DMT really did its trick. It threw me into a Phillip K Dick concoction of my own mind and became so real it was like I was torturing myself until everything was gone. And I really thought that was it, I really thought I had died, it was so insanely intense.

It is uncomfortable and exciting. I feel like I was thrown into a whole other world, beyond generalizations in terms of after effects. I mean, some of the things I have learned to be helpful from spice most people would consider New Age. The closest I ever got to New Age before DMT was probably listening to Brian Eno ambient albums. But, I digress, I just do not care about the labels and I do not care about peoples judgments on such matters. DMT taught to me that binaural beats can be powerful tools and I really took it to heart in ways that no one ever told me to do, I just found out myself from what I learned during trips. That was powerful. I can see why people would not think chanting OM would have any effect. A person must be ready. And I am ready and I am so happy that I have found more personal freedom and inspiration ; inspired by the molecule. I will cherish it for the rest of my life. I am in my early 30s and besides for falling madly in love with someone for many years... DMT is right up there.
 
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#5 Posted : 4/20/2013 1:43:08 PM

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voyaj wrote:
I really thought I had died, it was so insanely intense.

It is uncomfortable and exciting. I feel like I was thrown into a whole other world, beyond generalizations in terms of after effects.


This is why I like oral aya a bit better easier on the blast off! But smoked spice is still nice!
Understand: Nature knows no EVIL, Nature knows no GOOD, people know these things, because we perceive these things, with the gift of senses given to us at birth. A good or bad experience is simply a bridge to a another existential time frame, so always live in the moment and make every one a positive moment!

Any and all posts or interactions are to be held as my fictional writings/short stories or dreams. I may even have some delirium setting in, I've never been tested for it. The only exception to this is the statement about nature above, I feel this is a fact!
 
iracema
#6 Posted : 4/26/2013 11:09:36 PM

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thank you very much for taking your time to write about this, mates.
even if everyone just think about it, that's great.
also, spendind bit time on nexus is already a good way to enjoy post-effects.
Pleased

I get that about good and evil toxsin.
this lovely anthropologist, interviewed for dmttsm, elaborates on this subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e29_BlnpfOc
 
 
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