Hiyas, I've been experimenting with oral Acacia C. root bark and rue and before I continue adjusting procedures and dosage, I want to check with you all and see if you think the effects I'm getting from 1.8g rue indicate that I'm getting full MAO inhibition. (since that seems kinda low compared to the usual 3g I hear suggested, and I've heard people referring to some sort of 'sound' that they get when they're at the 'right' rue dosage. I haven't gotten a sound.)

- Heavy sedation - body gets very heavy (in a good way) and when it starts, I lay down and don't get up till it wears off considerably - I may think about getting up, and mayyybe turn over to start, but I never actually make it before giving up and relaxing.
- Body and mind seem much more in tune/harmony. Breathing is very steady, relaxed, calm.
- While meditating, I can get much deeper much quicker, and begin to get CEV's and can slip in to dream states consciously.
- Once the effects begin to fade, music is noticeably enhanced. I've had no desire to listen to music during the peak. Just being is all I want to do during that time.

The effects are very pronounced.

I'm all for experimenting with this, as I have been - but if these effects obviously indicate full inhibition, which I don't know, then it'd help me to not waste any rue upping the dose if I don't need to, and likewise, not wasting any AC on failed attempts due to low rue dosage.

How much acrb are you doing with it
And what is your recipe? Just curious

Ah I should have clarified - the effects I listed above are from taking rue alone.

I have taken the acrb with rue twice now - first with 3.7 grams acrb and 1.9g rue, taken 30ish minutes apart. The rue effects were pronounced as usual, and then I got very light dmt effects for somewhere around 30 minutes I think...hard to say.

The second time I did the rue and acrb together I used 3.6g acrb and 1.8g rue, taken at the same time, and hm...I got different effects than the rue alone, but definitely not in line with what I'm used to from dmt.

Both of those times I did cold water extractions using Dagger's syringe method for mhrb - cotton ball in the end of a 60ml syringe, then acrb (presoaked in vinegar water) and then filtered through the cotton ball.

I realize that may not be the best method, but I've heard good things so I wanted to give it a shot to find out for sure.

It's either my extraction method, not enough rue, or low quality root bark. Trying to figure out which without wasting more than I have to.

If people think that the effects I'm getting from 1.8g of rue are definitely indicative of full MAO inhibition, then I'll definitely make the move to brewing the acrb. But if not, I'll keep experimenting with CWE and more rue.

have you experimented with just acrb alone? I did around 12grams powedered acid boiled about 30 minutes, and did get a slight start, I may have bunk bark though

Nope, I haven't. From the research I've done it takes quite a lot of material to get effects from bark alone. In one thread (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28291) nexus member AluminumFoilRobots said that with Jurema (MHRB) it takes 40-100g of bark alone with no MAOI to get effects. I assume it'd be pretty similar with ACRB.

So since I have rue and Caapi, I'm trying these routes first.

2g of rue even on its own is a full on psychedelic dose for me and some other people i know. Even .5g can activate part of the dmt amount in the gut, for some at least.

"If people think that the effects I'm getting from 1.8g of rue are definitely indicative of full MAO inhibition, then I'll definitely make the move to brewing the acrb."

It definitely is

Thank you so, so much

I have 4.7g of ACRB that's been soaking in lukewarm acidified water since yesterday so I'm going to try that without brewing first, and then will move to brewing if that doesn't work.

I'm pretty confident it'll work, cause my first experiment with CWE definitely gave me DMT effects...that time I waited 30 min to take the RB, and the next time (with no DMT effects) I took them at the same time...so maybe this time I'll wait a little more, or less, than 30 minutes and see what that does...feel it out...

I'm curious - universecannon - how do you usually do it: together or separate, and how long apart if so?

Typically when I take DMT orally I use freebase DMT, as the liquid makes me cringe I get 3 I think 00 size capsules and put 700MG of syrian rue (non extract into two of them, which pretty much fills the caps) and then in the 3rd cap I'll put another 600MG rue and 100MG DMT

I call this my Triple 7 dose, as its 700MG of material in each pill.

I take these pills one at a time starting with one of the rue only caps, drink down on empty stomach wait 15 mins take second rue only cap, wait another 15 mins, then finally take the rue/DMT cap wait another 45 mins or so and you should be starting to be immersed in a fully psychedelic experience with open eyed and closed eye visuals like a water painting, version of smoked DMT.

Again thats 2100MG total material orally absorbed in 3 pills over the course of 30 mins with a total onset time of about 1 hour and 15mins from baseline to trip start.

After taking the final pill I have a small meal of something easy to digest to reduce any possible nausea, (never have much anyways not taking it in liquid form and all) but yeah this route works AMAZINGLY! I strongly recommend it on behalf of myself and two other friends I let experience it like this.

So back on the more main topic what I'm implying is that, syrian rue is highly effective at low dosages should you have a good supplier.

I usually take them anywhere between 1 and 10 minutes apart..for pharmahuasca sometimes i'll wait a bit longer but not usually

Excellent - big thanks to both of you.

This is all a huge help to my experimentation.

Much appreciated.

Safe Experimenting! Enjoy.

Toxsin could you give a little write up of your preparation

I'd love to try it myself. By non extract what do you mean exactly? I get the free base part but not the rue.
Just ground up or what?

Non - Extract meaning just plain old rue seeds, ground to as fine a powder as possible and DMT freebase being the only extracted portion used STB tek, and usually come out with white/off white crystals. Take a total of 2 Grams Syrian Rue (2000MG), and 100MG DMT Freebase

Dispense 700 MG into 2 "00" or "000" Size capsules (forgot which size) so you have now 1.4 Grams of rue material capped in 2 capsules, then the final Capsule fill with the remainder .6 Grams rue and the 100 MG Freebase DMT.

And as said take both the rue only capsules first some what empty stomach allowing 15min intervals and then Finally the Rue/DMT cap last, then simply await your voyage! Btw at time of dosing I was 185 LBS about 5'10.

Also I found that eating something small like bread or some noodles helps ease into the trip with less nausea. Don't overdo it though!

Does this help you enough? If not I can try to further elaborate!

Once the effects start off they can last 2-4 hours at this dose at least for me and friends. I think the more rue the longer the duration the more DMT the more colorful and intense, but I'm sure both chems add to these both. This dosage is highly effective at giving very spiritual, but still manageable highs with great OEV/CEV huge euphoria and love from everything, I was brought to tears by simple things, that normally wouldn't have made me that happy. Even had a split second OOBE during the come up where my visual focus left me out the back of my head traveled about a mile into the sky settled there watching me and a friend walk down the road for a moment, then hovered back down to ground level, and at that point I was left with super acute vision and was able to see so much detail of ANYTHING even very distant objects.

Again for me this dose was very potent and still very manageable -atone point I sat right outside a police station in front of my friends apt (small town) with no problems TRIPPING LIKE CRAZY Kaleidascopic water color fractal tripping I mean but it came on in waves, similar to mushrooms making integration easier.

Yeah, I've been wondering the very same thing myself. I usually take 2g rue for each journey, and that certainly activates the DMT alright. But recently, a friend of mine who also use to do this accidentally got ~3-3,5g into his system, with only ~1-2 grams of chaliponga to boost, and he said it was one of his most powerful journeys ever, at least as strong as a 2g rue + 5g mimosa trip, as if all that extra rue turned the usual magnifying glass effect of the rue into the hubble telescope, in his own words. As if, on that dose rue, the visions became extremely vivid and couldn't be ignored, even with open eyes.

In light of this, I'm thinking of changing my rue dose to 3g instead of 2g, and see what the difference will be myself. I'll probably take ~4g chaliponga to it, like I've done with 2g rue, to have something to compare it to.

What are you guys' opinions on this? Which is the more preferable dose? Or may it lie in between, at roughly 2,5g, or more than 3g?

Any speculation on this as well?

Ive yet to have a breakthough via any form of dmt, but I'm not rushing it

Now I'm assuming this method is way less nauseating than a liquid brew?

Way way less nausea. In fact I've not experienced any doing this if your really worried with my recipe also take a pepto bismol tablet about 25 mins prior to starting the rue (I think this is safe?) I know with LSA its safe and helps!