Hello everyone,

I've been intrigued by phalaris for a long time, same with crab grass, so now that my grandma is on a vacation and i have to spend the night over at her place to care for the house i thought to give it a shot. You might wanna read through this if you are willing to help a newbie out or just interested in my results...

So i went out and harvested some wild phalaris along with some crab grass. The time of the day is also important but you have to believe me i have limitations in this matter (and tons of others as you will see) so i had to harvest it at 22:00 (10 pm). I have gotten a handful of them so now i went to the paper where i wrote my instructions as following:

-juice the plant material
-boil it
-add vinegar or some kind of acid
-evap (??)
-base it
-add alcohol
-get the liquid out and evap again
-try in SMALL quantities!!!


So first things first, i cant juice it, so i just tore the grass into smaller pieces and put it into a pot and started boiling it. Here comes the first tricky part, i have had no idea how long i should boil, how much vinegar i should add, when i should get the plant material out. So i used 3 different pots to try my luck.
After boiling i added about 350 ml vinegar to one pot, and 6 limonene (i think it is limonene in english..) to the other pot. Since i did not know if i should still boil it or evap slowly i had the limonene one evapping slowly but still warm and the other one besides this one boiling.

After a while i got the plant material out, it was no longer green but brown, and i was left with some brownish orangeish tea.

So now i evapped this and when i got a small amount of oily goo that was brown i knew i had to base it ("but not brake it down" and again, i had no idea what amount of baking soda i should add... So i added some to the first one, and a lot to the second one. The reaction was suprising. There was sooooo much foam in the second pot that it almost got out! I could barely keep it in. So after waiting a while i knew alcohol was in order.

Again a tricky part, i had no 70% alcohol and only 90% so what i did is i mixed it with schnapps that contained 40% alcohol. To be honest i think this did the trick because some stuff in the alcohol slowly went down and some lighter oily stuff came up.
After this i put the pots back on and evaporated it on some heet.

I was left with some brownish goo that smelled funny and looked about the same as all the other pictures you can see of brownish goo. Thing is, i got a lot of it, much much more than you ppl. So i got scared and jamies "i tested only a small amount because of obvious reasons" kept ringing in my ear. I was a bit scared to try this out but wanted to check my creation anyways so i did.

Another side note, i had NO crack pipe. Or bong. Not even a joint. So what i did was i got a spoon, i put some very small amount (aye, no scale either) of brown goo on it, and lighted it up from below and slowly inhaled the smoke.

Nothing.... Another try with more... Nothing....

And that is my report, this went on through the night till i tested all the pots (i actually had three different pots) and i got no results whatsoever. So i knew i screwed it up somewhere.
On a side note, when i let the flame touch the brownish goo it turned white first and started some crazy reaction than it turned black and hard.

Here are some pictures:

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I am looking forward for any replies to be honest, but it would be nice if someone could point out the errors that i made throughout this.

So basically you were not able to follow not even one of the steps of the extraction nor the administration. Are you really asking yourself why you got no results?

I don't think that a successful extraction of phalaris can be done in one evening. The boiling alone I think takes several hours. If you can't juice the plant material freeze-cycling it helps to break down the cells and thus facilitates getting the ingredients into solution. But this takes a few days.

Schnaps is generally not pur ethanol so might also leave some residue. Also did you mix correct amounts to obtain 70% ?

vaporizing from a spoon is very inefficient, so even if you did get some goodies your ROA made it unlikely for you to notice anything.

If you add baking soda and there is foam this is a normal reaction between the vinegar and the baking soda. you need to add enough baking soda so that there is no more foam generation, otherwise your plant-matter is not basified enough. Usually these teks call for very little vinegar to be used - like a shot, because the dmt in the plant matter is usually already in its salt form and thus soluble in water. a little bit of acid just helps the process some. I'm not sure what you mean by limonene - citric acid? lemon juice? or really d-limonene? The latter is a solvent which would not do anything at this point in the extraction.

I am asking myself why I got no results because tbh i think even if i can not properly extract the material, it is still inside the brownish residue that i got, so if i would vap it i would at least get a bit of results just to encourage me to clean the material...

Not being able to juice the plant material might have been the problem, but i thought 'hey i never juice a tea i just gather the mint leaves from outside put some hot woter on it and it's basically an extract'...

Might not have been 70% but it was around that, and schnaps laves no toxic material in the residue, thats why it didn't concern me much..

Maybe i should try from a bong, but crack pipe is out of the question... Even if it is not efficient i just wanted to see if i get any mild effects, you see i dont want to get high from this stuff, i just wanted to check if i can get some psychedelic experience from the grass and if yes i would do more research and look for a method to get something purer...

Thank you for your answer you dont know how much i appreciate someone experienced like you helping me out.

I have a few more questions if anyone is willing to answer i'd send them a milka chocolate in return

So, i have to boil the grass for hours? Now i will be able to juice it at least a little bit, and i will be able to get isopropyl alcohol 70% so i should have a better resin in the end. I have also reviewed the extraction a few more times and saw my mistakes when it came to evaporation but still i have to ask:
After i boiled it got the crude material out and made it acidic i have to evap it, how fast should this evaporation go? Can i use heat here? Can i boil it? My main question is, is DMT and the other goodies sensitive/fragile to heat? I mean i had to boil it once so heat shouldnt brake it down ?

Again, sory to bother this community, any answer is greatly appreciated...

Hey, I'd recommend removing the Google link in your original post. It goes to your Google+ account.

In salt form, which it will be after the acid-boil DMT is quite heat-resistant, so you can use heat to evap it. What works well is a double boiler, i.e. a bowl with the plant brew on top of a pot of water which is being heated. This way you have less chance of burning your residue.

When it comes to evapping the IPA or alcohol you should not use too much heat because now you have the DMT in its freebase form and it vaporizes rather easily (after basifying). Also IPA and ethanol are flamable and so should be kept from open flames (don't use a gas stove!). They also evap rather fast so using a fan and a double boiler over an induction plate on the "low" setting for example could make for a quick evaporation at this step.

I would boil for at least 45 minutes but probably I would do more, just to be sure. I don't see any study on this and AKL doesn't mention for how long he boils so it's probably not as important as I thought. Also just add a shot of vinegar, not liters.

when administering it definitely try a bong or a small pipe rather than a spoon. Putting the goo on some smokeable plant leaf and then more plant leaf on top should work as a first test.

Enoon you cant imagine how much i appreciate these answers, things are getting a lot clearer now.

The limonene stuff i was talking about is actually citric acid. Sorry but neither of the 2 languages i use is my mothertongue so it was hard to translate. Today i will try 2 different extractions one with citric acid and one with vinegar. I'll also remember to use only a small amount... In the near future ill also try to use schnapps, i really like that stuff and would just like to see how it differs from 70% (which i successfully bought today)
I will also use a double boiler now.

I can only imagine talking to me here is like talking to a 10year old who wants to use a chainsaw, but i have my intentions. DMT is a very intriguing substenance, and my belief is it should not be a naturally controlled one. By this i mean, i believe nature gave us this for a purpose and i believe nature wants everyone to be able to try it. MHRB is a nice thing, and still pretty easy to get/do but if wild phalaris would be able to give us some insight that would be the thing i am looking for. I am very fond of nature, and i believe phalaris is a very potential grass and only time stands between humanity and and easy to do+cheap phalaris extract

One last question, if i want to upload pictures how should i? if G+ is out of the question, and if i get anything interesting i want to show you guys...

Again thanks for all the replies and help

Uploading images directly into your post is an option.
Check the "attach files to this post" box.
I like this method the best because the photos are directly in the post.

Or
Look into scrubbing "exif" information from photos (I hear Ms paint does this) and use a hosting site such as imgur or imageshack.


Best wishes,
Wearepeople

99% iso is the best to use.

Reducing the final product on a stove will likely vape off any actives. Get a dehydrator or use a double boiler.

You cant do the final alcohol pulls that fast, you will end up with all kinds of extra inactive crap floating around. It takes a while for the iso pulls to clear of sediments.

IME if you cant smell an indole smell from an arundinacea extraction than maybe you did something wrong, or it is not there. Anything active for me always had an indole smell when vaped into the air.

also, if it is mainly DMT that interests you look elsewhere. As I have already outlined multiple times, wild arundinacea is not a good DMT source. It contains DMT along with a number of other tryptamines and beta carbolines. You will get a tryptamine mix. If you are interested in entheogenic tryptamines in general than wild arundinacea is more interesting.

Crab grass is a somewhat ambiguous term. What species? Digitaria sanguinalis is the only one I know of that has been tested for tryptamines, and it contained 5meoDMT as well as whatever DMT might be in there. I am not even sure if it contained DMT.

Also, as I outlined in my other threads..I DO NOT recomend people do this!!!!!!!! Especially if you dont already have prior experience with DMT and extractions. The tek you are doing on wild phalaris(assuming it is arundinacea) leaves behind undesirable stimulant alkaloids along with the tryptamines and beta carbolines. That tek is find for plants that dont have extra unwanted alkaloids, but for wild arundinacea I would suggest for anyone to go with a non polar solvent.

If you dont have prior experience with DMT and extractions from other reliable plant sources it can be hard to tell what you are looking for..and grass is difficult enough as it is to work extractions with at first.

Please Be careful.

The forum software automatically strips any exif headers from jpg files if you upload it to the DMT-Nexus by attaching it to a post.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

I have juiced around 3 handfuls of grass yesterday added a few shots of vinegar right at the beginning and boiled for around 2 hours or so than i got the crude stuff out of it. After boiling i vaporized it on heat and added some baking soda, after the foam the color of the liquid changed to much darker.

Now i have about 100 ml of this liquid i have put it away and am thinking of letting it evap on its own. After it evaps i just add some alcohol let it stir for a while, get the alcohol off and i will have my goodies in the alcohol solution right?

I also want to ask if the end result contains something psychoactive how long will it last if it is in a dark cold place like in a freezer but still in its alcohol form (not vaporized)

Thanks in advance

That tek is find for plants that dont have extra unwanted alkaloids, but for wild arundinacea I would suggest for anyone to go with a non polar solvent.

If i have the final product in the alcohol and i evaporate it, could i pull with naphtha?

yes

Also do i pull with naphtha the same way i pull with alcohol? I think i do as far as i can read the teks on the forum but i am afraid of naphtha since it is the first toxic thing i use in this extraction and dont want to harm myself too much...

So basically i just evap the alcohol as much as i can and i put the naphtha on it and i wait a few hours than get the naphtha out and let it sit for some time and see if anything gets on the bottom, i separate them and evap and the throw out the stuff i had on the borrom and use the one i evapped? Won't i lose some yield here?

Soz if i'm annoying but naphtha sounds scairy

as long as you don't drink or inhale the naphtha you're ok. It won't bite you.

evap the alcohol all the way until you are left with a residue that does not smell of alcohol. Add naphtha, maybe warm naphtha. Filter, let settle, decant. THen you can put it in the freezer and after 12 hours you should have dmt crystals in there. decant. OR you can evaporate the naphtha. You can also do freezer first and evaporation later.

Whatever you do, once you have your final result - crystals or goo or a mix - let it sit a while so that the remaining naphtha can evaporate. You should smell the indole but no naphtha.