Hello fellas, First I would like to express my gratitude to you wonderful humanitarians for taking the time to create a source of very important information for the wanna be Psychonauts like myself. Thank you and please keep up the good job!

I had mushrooms and LSD a few times years a go but I haven't done DMT. In fact I discovered DMT only about 3 months a go. The more I read about it the more I feel that I must experience it myself. I have no idea where to get some but that's not what I want to ask you.

I own a MindSpa Meditation Machine, and I found it to be very effective in clearing the mind.

So I wonder if any of you are familiar with the MindSpa and in your opinion is it a good idea to smoke freebase DMT during the MindSpa session?

I am pretty sure that DMT will find me sometime in the future. Also I'm curious if anybody tried using positive affirmations (Law of Attraction style) during the period of coming down after a breakthrough?

Thank you!

looks pretty awesome, actually

The device looks like it has plenty of wires and small bits to it. How fragile is the things as a whole? My main concern personally would be damaging the device somehow when I am neither fully here nor there (shifting about in my seat, thus dropping or crushing part of it)..

Each to their own of course but I find something set up before and after (music wise, for pre-calming and post-contemplation) helps, while having as much silence (I find it makes its own music/tones) and steady light as possible for the actual event.

My logic is that this ensures minimal external influence (if that is even possible) thus maximizing whatever is offered solely by consumption of the compound itself).

It's like a Walkman only with one extra plug for the eyeglasses.



The MindSpa kinda turns my brain off, after a 10-15 minutes I don't even notice the blue lights flashing or the sound of the brainwave tones. It does work very well for me, after a session I always feel better.

When the time comes I will try it with DMT and post my experience.

Here is a better like to the MindSpa.

Will be most interested to read your experience for sure.

I have an itch when it comes to frequencies (Pythagorean harmonics, Solfeggio, binaural beats and the like) but am looking to delve further in a more 'self-standardized' set/setting before I consider introducing anything like that

Best of experiences to ya

I don't have a mindspa, but i have a Proteus mind machine (Green/red leds + binaural beats)

Its great with DMT while laying in bed. But it would be good to have been somewhat familiar with dmt (and the device) before combining the two i think. Combining them can get incredibly bizarre, but so far its been great for the most part. Its made low doses into very nice journeys before to

it really gets me into a deep meditative/calm/coherent/low brainwave state which is incredibly useful either before psychedelics or in combination with them

Here's hoping for a report soon

Before experimenting with the MindSpa during the trip I had to try DMT by itself first. And now I am convinced that the MindSpa is unnecessary and possibly a very bad idea to combine with DMT trips.

Here's what happened to me...

I did not have a scale at the time of these sessions so I have no way of knowing for sure the exact dose, but now that I have a scale I am 100% sure that I took much more than 50mg.

I made a “machine” out of a 50 mL Hennessy bottle and some steel wool using the instructions I found online. Loaded the machine with DMT and started to prepare myself by getting rid of any negative thoughts.

It was around 10am so I decided to go lay down on the floor in my walk-in closet because it is the only room I have that is away from the outside light and noise.

I took my first toke expecting some difficulty to hold it in, but it was pretty easy not to cough so I held it for about 10-15 seconds and immediately took a second toke, and then a third.

By this time I already was shocked to see what looked like a very colorful digital code running in all directions everywhere I looked. I thought to myself ~ (wow it's a fuc***g matrix) and laid down. As soon as my head touched the carpet I was startled by a sound and a feeling of something moving next to the right side of my head, and as I turned to look at what that was I felt pressure on my right hand index finger. And I totally freaked out and went into to a complete panic attack. I never had a panic attack before this in my entire life.

As I’m freaking out I hear a sound of a jet engine coming at me from the right and as this sound surrounded me all I could think was [what the fu*k? What the fu*k, what the fu*k? I can't breathe! What is this? What is this?] And it was like someone told me don't try to understand, you can't understand, you will never understand just relax it's OK. And at this time the noise was moving back to where it came from and I began seeing the walls of my closet again but everything was still covered by some kind of code running in all directions. Then I realized that I’m hyperventilating severely, like 60 breath per minute. After focusing on my breathing for the next few minutes I was able to get up and went to lay down on my bed.

For the next 30 minutes I was trying to understand what just happened but I couldn't.

So I decided to give it another shot only now I am staying on my bed.

I loaded the machine again with approximately same amount. (very stupid decision... I know) and took a very large toke, held it for like 5 seconds and took another one, waited for additional 5 seconds and tried to take another one, but it was too late. By this time I was not on my bed, I was on an operating table in some hospital... I got a familiar feeling of a breathing tube being pulled out of my throat, just like when I had major surgery 6 years a go. I immediately realized that something went very wrong and I am surrounded by nurses and doctors in a trauma or operating room in a hospital. I feel and hear a lot of movement around me but when I looked around it became very obvious that I was somewhere else. I'm thinking to myself... this place is not on earth, and continued freaking out even more.

This is when I started answering questions that I did not hear... [yes I feel that, what do you want?, yes I can feel that too, okay, okay, I’m fu***ng scared please stop] during this time I’m opening and closing my mouth, touching each finger on both of my hands with my thumb, making a fist, moving my toes, bending my knees. I realized I'm having a nuero exam and started freaking out even more... [crap, I had a stroke, if I didn't than why are you doing this?] then I noticed birds singing. [yes I like birds, yes please I prefer birds] and it got louder and louder. At this time I feel somebody touching me all over my body, and my right foot became very cold, like freezing cold. [I’m so cold, I’m freezing, yes a blanket would be nice] immediately I felt something like a warm blanket covered my right foot. I got a feeling that whoever was moving all around me started moving faster and faster. Now I thought they were working a cardiac arrest, that they are doing CPR on me. I freaked out even more and by this time I began seeing my room again covered with this computer code. My room was slowly returning back to normal for the next 10 or 15 minutes.

I couldn't believe it, I was in total shock. But I decided to try again in 15 minutes.. But this time I didn't load the machine with more DMT. I just took a large toke of what was already loaded from previous time. I don't know whether I laid down after the first toke or not, but I was again in a total panic, trying to take another one but the lighter kept going out, and I'm thinking [I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I'm sorry]. At some point it felt like I was literally pushed down and flipped over onto my stomach, I was again opening and closing my mouth, touching the tips of my fingers with my thumb and answering questions. [ yes I feel that, it's uncomfortable but doesn’t hurt, how much longer?, why can't I get out of here? Are you teasing me? Okay I understand, like an astronaut, we did this a million times already, maybe that's enough for now? I wanna go home, please let me go.] and again I began seeing the code running up and down, and left and right all around me. Completely snapped out of it about 20 minutes later.

I was so confused and couldn't stop thinking about it the whole day. What was that? Seriously what was that?

Before falling asleep that night I decided to do it again the next day.

Loaded more DMT and took the biggest toke yet.

I have a projector alarm clock in my bedroom, it shows time on the ceiling with red digits. I noticed that now it was projecting something else, these were not digits but some kind of symbols and a lot larger and brighter, I looked at my window and saw daylight from the outside coming through a multicolored glass, it was not my window. I have a couple of dogs, they looked like they were in a trance, like frozen just sitting there. I of course freaked out again and started praying for them to be alright, [please don't hurt my dogs, please let them live] and then I started having flashes of me smoking DMT in my closet and I was trying to hold on to something, desperately looking for something to hold on to, but I couldn't see anything other than colorful bubbles everywhere. While trying to save myself from something that I cannot explain even to myself, I just have a feeling that I was trying so hard to stay here. At this time it hit me that here is not where I want to stay, I want to go home. The panicking got even worse and I got the same feeling of a breathing tube being pulled out and something squeezing my right index finger. At this point I started coming back slowly.

I convinced myself that I must do it again and concentrate on staying calm.

In about an hour I took another very large toke, and this time I recorded myself with my front iPhone camera.

This crazy sound started closing in on me only this time it sounded like I was in a walk-in refrigerator somewhere in a restaurant. As the sound got to me I realized I was in a morgue, possibly dead. Immediately something told me that it was not the morgue and I was still alive in my room. I didn't freak out this time, instead I was focusing on what was being said to me. I think I was told that I will not understand what is happening to me and I should give it some rest and try again later.
That's all I can remember, but there was a lot more happening to me I'm sure. So, not that it matters but I concur.... DMT is the strangest and most beautiful and at the same time most terrifying thing I experienced in my entire life of 30+ years.
Sorry it's so long, but I couldn't make it any shorter.

Jeez...talk about hard headed, eh? with 50mg + in that situation, and repeatedly dosing again and again after bad/rough experiences, its no wonder that happened.. and yeah, obviously, things like the mindspa can amplify both positive and negative experiences in certain ways

btw get a scale

man you must have balls of steel

I got a scale now, but I need to think about what that was for a while before I try it again. Hard headed is probably not the best way to describe myself in this instance.... Stupid is more like it. But wow! that was heck of a ride. thank you for replying.

Balls of steel... Not really.. I don't know how to explain it but I felt like I had to finish a job over there. Now I think that it will always feel like the experience will get interrupted by getting back to this reality. I don't know what that even means myself.

Forgot to mention one more thing.

My last session as I was coming down I picked up my iPhone and I saw someone else looking back at me. Goosebumps as I type this.

Well I tried MindSpa on DMT. Here's what I saw...

First I had a short MindSpa session for about 15 minutes. Then I took two large tokes from the DMT machine I preloaded with precisely 50 MG and started a new MindSpa session.

Immediately the sound of the brainwave entrainment tones changed to some kind of electronic music and moved to the background where I could hear it only if I concentrate on it.

In front of my face I saw something like a blue robotic arm with a green laser point scanning my body in no particular order, it was just moving in all directions very fast. It felt very strange, I can't really describe it but it wasn't scary or uncomfortable. This continued for a few minutes and then the music got closer and It sounded like it had some words in it but I couldn't understand any of it. Then I noticed that the green laser point got detached from the robotic arm and stopped moving, it was pointing at my forehead, I tried to see what was going on around it but the green light was getting wider and wider until it was the only thing I could see, basically everything was green at this point and I thought it was over and removed the headphones and the eye glasses.

Now I could see my room but it was still not completely back to normal, so a just laid down looking around at the beautiful colors. And that's when I notices my toes.... Holy shi*t they looked fuc**ng ugly... I was staring at my feet in disbelief, I had to count the amount of toes and move them just to make sure they are mine. They looked green and flaky, reptile like... pretty disgusting.

To sum it all up... It was interesting but kind of boring, maybe I should have done one more toke.

Now that I'm back to baseline I am relieved that my toes are actually pretty nice looking after all...

Thanks for reading!

Wow dude, you certainly are both hard-headed and ballsy as all hell. Most people wouldn't have gone for round 2, and 50mg is easily a heroic dose for a noob. (no offense) And here you are going back again and again.

Your theme of the alien abduction scenario is a common one. I have no interest in that helpless feeling, and prefer to meet the entities on as level a ground as I can manage. This is not always working, as some of the entities are orders of magnitude more advanced than humanity... but it is possible to invoke friendlier ones and go to less traumatic scenes with them. I say less traumatic because even the blissful journeys full of realizations and loving light can be extremely traumatic. They rock your entire sense of reality and can leave you unsure of yourself and your position in what seems to be clearly a MUCH larger playing field than the work-a-day world most people believe to be objective reality.

Anyway, chum... I can add a lot to this thread as I have used mind machines regularly since the 80's, I had an early model with only red LEDs that I got out of the old OMNI magazine waaay back in the day. Now, for the last years I rock a Procyon which is capable of producing a ridiculous range of colors with its three colors per eye setup. (Red Yellow Blue I believe)

As someone with an equally long history with spice... I can say that I have managed to use these sound and light brainwave entrainment techniques very successfully with DMT and a who's who of other entheogens to boot. As you have discovered, it tends to be somewhat superfluous during a peak on smoked DMT. If you breakthrough to other realities, flashing lights and sounds here tend to be wasted on you... also, DMT is capable of making time stand still, and then you have massive journeys between two flashes.

What I can say, is that such devices are rather useful in preparing for a journey. To help you achieve a deep meditative state before blast off. If you can get into a nice Theta state before smoking spice, the pre-flight jitters can be wiped away, and the chance of a freakout diminished substantially. Also, after the peak, in the comedown it can push the visuals up a few notches.

I find that my mind machine experiences go better with Ayahuasca or the Dissos. Generally, I reach for mine on the comedown, when I am back from the peak, but still have some fuel in the tank. In these instances, it is possible to get back up to near peaking levels and have a much more controlled experience. One can dial in various brainwaves and use multiple techniques. With my machine it is easy to use Isochronic Tones with Binaural Beats and various brainwave frequencies, even being able to set up precise frequencies on each eye independently, or in the offset between them. The colors are less important, but they do make a big difference in that we associate different emotional states to different colors. You feel different flying through gold and turquoise bands than you do through a many shades of violet field.

Anyway, I am still as enthralled with both mind machines and spice as I was back when they first came into my life. I don't whip them out all that regularly, though... and I try to refrain from blasting off too many times in a single sitting. THis is because (as the voices were telling you) you CAN NOT understand everything that happens. You need a long time and some serious deep meditation to even begin to assimilate a single trip. This is important because the various "ally" entities (to borrow a Castaneda term) tend to get snippy with you if you keep coming to them without even having attempted to digest what they showed you the last time. This can lead to what I call the HyperSlap... this kind of multidimesional beat down is something you don't want to experience. Even your panic attack alien abduction scenarios are rather mild in comparison.

My advice is to take it slow with DMT. If you want a longer journey in Hyperspace, taking more is not the answer. Better to slow it down and do a 6hr Ayahuasca session. Work on your meditation skills and your recall. I promise you that what you are remembering from your journeys is not even a fraction of 1% of what went down. If you could remember even a paltry 5% you would not be in any rush to pick up the pipe again.

Good luck to you on your path. Being a psychonaut is no mean feat.

All the best
HF