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[Vine only] So I had my first brew last night.. Options
 
TheAwakening
#1 Posted : 4/2/2013 3:41:10 AM

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While all you lot were harvesting pineal glands for HP-DMT I was undertaking my first brew. I decided to go with vine only so that I could find my vine dosage level so that I wouldn't waste any spice with under/over shooting my dosage. Last week I brewed 460g of caapi from a friends vine, wasn't incredibly thick but you could see the patterns in the cross section (about 2.5 cm would be the biggest piece) which I've heard means it's good to brew with and tossed a few hand fulls of leaves in. I reduced this down to 6 x 150mL doses. I probably could have reduced it further but as I learned I don't really mind the taste of aya.

I drank 1 dose over a 10 minute period and sat there meditating for 40 minutes or so. By this time I did feel different to what I normally did but I thought to myself that since I'm trying to find my sweet spot I'll try some more. I felt a tiny bit of nausea but not a lot and unlike a lot of first timers I was actually looking forward to the purge. I got up and heated another of the frozen doses. This one was much darker than the first on the account that it had all the sediments. I was hesitant at first because I didn't want to over do it and end up with the dreaded harmala headache I hear a lot about but I eventually thought stuff it, mother ayahuasca would appreciate me doing it properly Big grin

So I sit there and down half of the cup and meditate some more. I start to see in my minds eye faces of girls that have meant something to me . Their faces would flash before me and be followed by another. I come to the conclusion that the longer their faces stayed there the more unfinished business I had with them so to speak. There was one in particular who I've come since to feel bad for the way I treated her and apologized to the vision of her in my head and then another voice chimed in and said that if I were really sorry I would finish the cup and so I did without any hesitation.

I drank the rest of the cup and came to realize that the taste really isn't that bad. Anyone who whines about the taste obviously hasn't drank much Calea which in my opinion is significantly more bitter, although maybe the brew becomes more bitter when admixtures are added? Anyway back to business. I sat there and meditated again, I couldn't get deep enough to get back to where I just was but I did feel another wave of nausea come on after a little while. My mouth was watering like it does right before you spew but my body just didn't want to throw up. I tried gagging and moving my hand rapidly over my stomach to see if this would promote a purge but nothing happened. I eventually lied down and started zoning out. I started to feel dizzy and I thought that I may have over done it but it didn't phase me too much as it wasn't overwhelming by any means.

I was seeing moving shadows when I closed my eyes where I could see the outline of the object but no colour so to speak. I think I know why admixtures are called light now. I was also seeing bright flashes every so often. I started to see my grandfather who passed away from cancer a few years ago and thought about how much I really miss him which got me thinking of the last few days he was alive. On a side note it was really strange how faces stuck in my minds eye but nothing else. At first I'd see the entire body of whoever I was thinking of but it always ended up with them just being a face.

I thought about when I went in to hospital one day when he was really bad with my mum and grandmother and he told me to get out and why was I there. It got me thinking if this person I had known and adored even felt the same way about me. Amidst thinking of this I remembered how all the family got the opportunity to sit down beside him say one last goodbye but I didn't because my sister wouldn't leave the room. I realized how much anger I had toward this selfish act of hers but had a voice tell me that I shouldn't dwell on it. My sister isn't one to admit that she has done wrong but all I felt was that I wanted her to acknowledge it because it had had a long term effect on me that I was for the most part unaware of. The voice told me if my sister was this was then I should avoid causing more anger for myself by telling her about the way I felt and, to put it bluntly, deal with it because it won't change the past.

I dwelled on this for a little while but only found myself getting angrier and angrier. I eventually thought that the voice was really right. My sister was going through the same emotional roller coaster that I was at the time and that I shouldn't be hard on her without being hard on myself for every time my emotions have led me to do something which may have upset someone else. The nausea faded and I was greeted with an amazing warmth throughout my body. I said thank you mother ayahuasca and sat there in the warm embrace I was feeling. All of a sudden I saw a snake move from the center of my vision out to the side and was left with an amazing afterglow albeit I was just ready to get some sleep.

I woke up this morning feeling rather well. My whole family came into my this morning at the same time as they were leaving for work and my sister said that I should drink more of this stuff because if she usually came in and woke me up in the morning I'd be telling her in no uncertain terms to get out of my room and don't wake me up. I've been feeling great all day and I've decided that next time I drink, I'm thinking Thursday, I'll add a small amount of admixture. I think that I could have had a little less brew but since it wasn't too overwhelming and none of the other brews have nearly the same amount of sediments in them I'll be going the same dose next time.

Thanks for reading, not that this was a very difficult experience or anything but it does really help you integrate and remember more about it when you type it all out.

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#2 Posted : 4/2/2013 1:39:53 PM

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Thanks for sharing your experience !

On a purely technical note, caapi is much more expensive than DMT bearing plants, at least in Europe, so don't brew Ayahuasca alone just for that reason (it makes no sense).
It's a great idea to test the caapi on its own, though.

What kind of admixture plant do you plan on using in your Ayahuasca ?
 
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#3 Posted : 4/2/2013 10:44:21 PM

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Yes, thank you for sharing! I'm preparing for my first caapi only experience as well. I brewed about 120g of red caapi a couple months ago and have had it in my freezer ever since, just waiting for the right time. I feel like that's coming very soon though so it's nice to read a report from someone embarking on the same path.

I have some more caapi and chacruna for later this spring/summer, once I feel I've prepared myself with a couple of caapi only experiences.
 
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#4 Posted : 4/2/2013 10:55:18 PM



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sounds nice :]

I love caapi (or rue..or harmalas) on its own. Its incredibly underrated, healing, and also VERY psychedelic at high doses. Not just visual, but out of body journeys. They're unique in a way quite unlike any other psychedelic i've tried. After working with them a lot, im convinced that what harmalas do to the 'architecture' of our thoughts is just profound.

Its good to see folks getting acquainted with the vine



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#5 Posted : 4/2/2013 11:28:58 PM

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Silly(c)One,
Luckily for me I can source vine with not much cost. It's the light containing plants which are harder to locate for me. Since I don't have any active foliage, well I do but it's of Acacia Obtusifolia which has other nasties which make a brew less enjoyable, I'm going with 50mg of extracted dmt.

Mithrandiir,
Best of luck with your journeys. The caapi only was enjoyable, even if I felt a little nauseous the whole time.

Universalcannon,
That's why I tried this brew. Most aya drinkers I know don't drink vine only and say they don't get much effect from vine only but I found it to be somewhat psychedelic at the level I had it. It certainly played on my thoughts like you said. Luckily I still have some more to brew up because I'm interested in cultivating a relationship with vine only brews just as much as admixture brews.

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#6 Posted : 4/3/2013 3:17:00 AM

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It might be interesting too to test some brews with lots of caapi and just a little bit of DMT.
Then your journey shouldn't be very visionary (or not at all), but with enough tryptamines to synergize the caapi.
At the end of last year, I've had a few ceremonies with an ayahuasquero using 100g caapi and 5-6g MHRB (approx. 100mg DMT) per glass (I had 3 glasses per night). Never had a vision, it was feeling like an all caapi brew. Though for a few drinkers, it was enough MHRB to give them visions all night long with 1 or 2 glasses... So I think with 100g caapi and 50mg pure DMT, it *shouldn't* be visionary, as my new shaman advised me to use 50g caapi and 10g MHRB in my own brews (2x less caapi and twice as much DMT) to have a full visionary experience.

Oh, just a question that's been bothering me : don't you get bored with caapi only brews ?
Waiting for hours in the dark without visions has been very difficult for me (I'm ADHD, quite impulsive).
 
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#7 Posted : 4/3/2013 3:39:32 AM

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Isn't Ayahuasca amazing?
"Think more than you speak"
"How do you get rid of the pain of having pain in the first place? You get rid of expectations"
"You are everything that is. Open yourself to the love and understanding that is available."
"To see God, you have to have met the Devil."
"When you know how to listen, everyone becomes a guru."
" One time, I didn't do anything, and it was so empty... Almost as if I wasn't doing anything. Then I wrote about it. It was fulfilling."
 
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#8 Posted : 4/3/2013 4:11:32 AM



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Silly(c)One wrote:
It might be interesting too to test some brews with lots of caapi and just a little bit of DMT.
Then your journey shouldn't be very visionary (or not at all), but with enough tryptamines to synergize the caapi.
At the end of last year, I've had a few ceremonies with an ayahuasquero using 100g caapi and 5-6g MHRB (approx. 100mg DMT) per glass (I had 3 glasses per night). Never had a vision, it was feeling like an all caapi brew. Though for a few drinkers, it was enough MHRB to give them visions all night long with 1 or 2 glasses... So I think with 100g caapi and 50mg pure DMT, it *shouldn't* be visionary, as my new shaman advised me to use 50g caapi and 10g MHRB in my own brews (2x less caapi and twice as much DMT) to have a full visionary experience.

Oh, just a question that's been bothering me : don't you get bored with caapi only brews ?
Waiting for hours in the dark without visions has been very difficult for me (I'm ADHD, quite impulsive).


Boring? Your just not taking enough if caapi alone isn't visionary for you. Try 150g or more in silent darkness sometime (i used to do 100g caapi with 1 or 2 grams of rue. Its more cost effective and they actually combine very well for me). It seems that a lot of the legit full-on brews in the amazon are include very high doses of caapi. Probably in the 200g range. But there is a lot of reservation in dosing foreigners too high so maybe its not common to encounter brews like that.

I also don't agree with 100g caapi and 50mg dmt (and 100g caapi + 5 or 6grams mimosa) not being visionary? It is for most of us i know that have done around that amount, and for many it would actually be a very big dose. 100g caapi vine alone, in silent darkness, is visionary for many, myself included. But everyones different. It usually takes around 120g or more to hit the intense out of body journey into visionary worlds stage with caapi alone, but rest assured it will happen if the dose is high enough. Maybe it takes a few high dose attempts to get there, i don't know. Ayahuasca in general is definitely a learned thing in a lot of ways



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#9 Posted : 4/3/2013 3:32:37 PM

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Thank you Smile
 
 
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