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The_Free_One
#1 Posted : 3/29/2013 7:03:29 PM

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Sooo hello everyone at The Nexus!
I guess this will be SWIM's first post....
First maybe a personal intro and experience
SWIM is 22 years old.
done ecstasy hundreds of times, been smoking for....since the beginning of high school, done shrooms a handful of times now ( getting used to feeling now Thumbs up ), smoked salvia about 3 times, had 1 successful trip with Mescaline tea and 1 slightly successful trip with a Mesc. HCl Extract, drink, and then all the other minor stuff.
SWIM hopes to gain some more information from this community as well as provide more info. and experiences!
Please feel free to let SWIM know if he should post somewhere else or if this post needs correction....

Soo the first post? An attempt at LSx (or LSH)

SWIM used another tek on Shroomery from cypherantidote but made a few changes.
SWIM got minor effects but enough to have another go at it.


Heres the tek used
The changes SWIM made are in italics

Basic Procedure: (if you don't want to hear exactly what I did, heres a quick rundown, the rest of this post is my methodical procedure)
-grind up seeds
-make strong peppermint tea
-soak seed matter in alcohol & tea
-let sit for 2hrs in cold environment
-filter until sediment is very scant.


materials gathered:
-375 Morning Glory (Heavenly Blue) Seeds
-Carbon Water Filter
-Peppermint Tea Bags (2) (SWIM used "Lindsay Gardens" brand)
-Measuring Utensils

-French Press
-Ginger Ale
-10oz of distilled water

-Stainless Steel Cup
-Sealable Container
-Shallow Bowl
-Sealable Plastic Bag

-kettle
-Peppermint Extract 1oz (89% Alc. Cont.)

-Hammer

For the procedure, SWIM is going to type what he wrote in the notebook while preparing the drink. For comparison refer to http://www.shroomery.org...flat.php/Number/11394147

PROCEDURE:

1)SWIM washed 375 HBMG seeds (some purchased from orchard, some from 99 cents store) in below room temperature, soap water for about 10 mins. Then SWIM spread the seeds on a towel to dry, in a cool dark place. Took only a few minutes for the seeds to dry without any fan.

2)Once dry, the seeds were placed inside a zip-lock bag and smashed with a hammer until mostly every seed was cracked open. Seeds were placed in a cool, dark place until needed again.

3)SWIM took 10oz of distilled water and passed through a carbon filter (dont know if that was necessary) and brought the water to a soft boil in his kettle.

4)After the water started boiling, he placed two peppermint tea bags in the kettle for 5-10 min to prepare a strong peppermint brew. SWIM boil the tea down to about 7 or 8 oz.

5)Once the tea was nice and pepperminty, SWIM removed the kettle from the stove and poured the tea into a stainless steel cup to cool in the freezer for about 30-40 minutes.

6)SWIM took the tea out of the freezer once it cooled down a bit, and proceeded to mix in the smashed seeds along with the full oz of Peppermint Extract. This mixture was then poured into an empty water bottle, agitated, and placed back into the freezer for 2 hours. Periodically agitating the mixture any time he was around the fridge.

7)After about 2 hours swim took the bottle with the mixture out of the freezer and poured the contents into a french press, which SWIM used to separate the seed mush from the liquid.

8 )Finally, SWIM took the filtered mixture and placed it back into the bottle, wrapped the bottle in aluminum foil (to block light), discarded seed mush and placed back into the freezer for the rest of the day.

After all the prep. SWIM drank the tea the next afternoon, splitting half with his GF. Tea was extremely MINTY!! Wasnt really a taste to it, but my stomach was "cool" for hours lol...

He'll post a slightly more detailed trip report later but the trip was basically mild, might have been something more if SWIM didnt split it maybe?
SWIM only felt different when he would walk around, things seemed to only slightly "breathe", and thoughts seemed slightly alien and more detailed.

idk, SWIM intends to retry this tek or another but with HBWR seeds.
If anyone has advice on what might have made this tek more effective please feel free to let SWIM know!
 

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Ilex
#2 Posted : 3/29/2013 7:38:04 PM

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Sorry to burst the bubble, but the supposed conversion to LSH isn't going to work, because there is no acetaldehyde in peppermint. The peppermint tea can help with nausea, though.
 
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#3 Posted : 3/29/2013 7:40:14 PM

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Ilex wrote:
Sorry to burst the bubble, but the supposed conversion to LSH isn't going to work, because there is no acetaldehyde in peppermint. The peppermint tea can help with nausea, though.



So whats the deal with this whole LSH business? What would work?
 
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#4 Posted : 3/29/2013 7:42:44 PM

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SWIM has been reading about it for a while, and doesnt seem to be any clear cut answer to the conversion. so this was SWIMs first attempt at this tek or this substance in general
 
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#5 Posted : 3/29/2013 11:15:01 PM

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#6 Posted : 3/29/2013 11:29:39 PM

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The_Free_One wrote:
bump

Please stop bumping so fast, your last post isn't even 4 hours ago and you are polluting the forum this way. Give people some time to respond.


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benzyme
#7 Posted : 3/29/2013 11:55:05 PM

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I haven't seen any evidence that adding an oil to LSA will result in any
adduct formation, especially since none of the teks mention protonation of the amide for the addition.
Reaction equilirium will always favor reversion back to LSA, even if you were to add acetaldehyde.

all you're making is an lsa mint julep (or tea, rather)
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#8 Posted : 3/30/2013 1:26:21 AM

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the traveler,
sorry about that

benzyme,
so people are just trippin off of regular LSA? but what makes it stimulative, what do you think is the reason for people saying theres is a definitive change?

 
benzyme
#9 Posted : 3/30/2013 1:40:13 AM

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placebo.

minty anything seems stimulating. menthol is a TRPm8 ligand.
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#10 Posted : 3/30/2013 2:03:44 AM

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So benzyme, SWIM is planning on ordering some HBWR seeds and doing something like this tek here https://www.dmt-nexus.me....aspx?g=posts&t=8606

good tek you think?

Whats SWIY take on LSA, SWIM is trying to avoid any nausea or anything negative like that. doesnt deal well with it...Confused



 
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#11 Posted : 3/30/2013 3:25:44 AM

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sounds like a reasonable crude extract.
I don't think it will separate the other ergotoxines, but they won't be major constituents anyway. Fresh HBWR seeds actually have LSH, but it's supposedly an unstable compound, and will revert to LSA either enzymatically or from autooxidation.
LSA is highly active, and people have tried all sorts of cocktails with various oils, which they claim gives different qualities to their trips.
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#12 Posted : 3/30/2013 3:40:40 AM

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I noticed that you heated the seeds in step 3 and 4 and that will destroy the lsa/lsh
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The_Free_One
#13 Posted : 3/30/2013 5:36:19 AM

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G_rambo wrote:
I noticed that you heated the seeds in step 3 and 4 and that will destroy the lsa/lsh


Not at all, the seeds were not added until the tea had cooled down completely, after being placed in the freezer. SWIM is hoping for better luck when it comes to the HBWR.....cant wait Big grin......currently trying the mescaline ISO extract, hope it works, but really just want to get rid of this dried San Pedro thats sittin around. hope for the best i guess haha
 
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#14 Posted : 3/30/2013 5:38:57 AM

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Btw, thanks benzyme for the info. much appreciated!
 
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#15 Posted : 3/30/2013 4:00:21 PM

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The effects of psychoactive morning glories/HBWR are probably due to the synergy between several different alkaloids found in them. LSA is active on its own, but some of the other alkaloids add their own flavour. LSH is naturally present in Ipomoea violacea, Arygreia nervosa and Rivea corymbosa. The fresher the seeds, the more likely this alkaloid hasn't decomposed back to ergine.

From TIHKAL, p. 313:
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"What is in these seeds that makes them psychoactive? The major alkaloidal components in most of the seeds are the two isomeric amides of lysergic acid, lysergamide (ergine, LAA, LA-111) and isolysergamide (isoergine, iso-LAA). They represent perhaps a half of the alkaloid content of the two badoh's and they are a smaller but sizable component of the baby wood rose. It has been found that the acetaldehyde adduct of these two amide, the N-(1-hydroxyethylamides) accounts for some of the isolated ergines, as this material is quite unstable and is easily converted in the presence of isolation. The only other amide of lysergic acid that is present in these pants is ergometrine. All of these are known to have activity in man"
 
 
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