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I've read through just about every extraction method for lsa extraction's and came across one on http://www.rollitup.org/...-have-lsa-crystals.html that actually had crystal's form... I have been preforming small scale extractions on HBWR for the past couple days and haven't had any luck with crystal's forming. I used a non polar then polar extraction and only got a brown residue. If anyone has had a successful attempt's with forming crystals please add any helpful tips. All feedback will be much appreciated! Below is the picture of someone else's extraction that i talk about in the first sentence G_rambo attached the following image(s):  Crystal LSA.png (1,060kb) downloaded 237 time(s).G.Rambo My thoughts are the echos of past experiences that guide me through future experiences... All of the statements in the above section are complete fiction  There's a thin line between sanity and insanity... and I just snorted it.
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Yo, G, I'm in the middle of giving Kash's tek another go, it's supposed to form crystals, so I'll let you know if it works for me in the morning. How's it going to end?
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I am going to perform an extraction on some tomorrow. I will let you know how it goes! 3... 2... 1... BLAST OFF!!!!FFO TSALB ...1 ...2 ...3 My grafting guide
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By the way, that link does not work. I'd like to see what he did. Thanks! Edit: Found it... Click Here!3... 2... 1... BLAST OFF!!!!FFO TSALB ...1 ...2 ...3 My grafting guide
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I just googled the name of that tek and found a link to it here actually: https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m..._Advanced_LSA_ExtractionAt the end, he lists the dosage and it seems extremely high. He listed a high dose as >50seeds worth. God damn! I mean good seeds you wouldn't want to eat 1/2 that. The good quality ones that I ate back in the day I never consumed more than 12-15 at once. Most folks would have been fine with 4-6. I cannot help but thinking that something is off here. Maybe it is a typo, the extraction is extremely inefficient, or maybe the strength of commercial seeds is 1/10th the potency of good commercial seed 10 years ago/this guy's seeds suck. Something is off there though. Honestly what do you end up with really? A liquid extract. Other than just to say that you can, why not just take an aqueous extract of untreated morning glory seeds? The alkaloid profile produces a richer experience than HBWR and removing the toxins from that is the only real advantage that I am hearing. Also, note that the above pictured extract was described as "waxy" in its parent thread. A white powder and the claim of crystals in the tek are the only "crystals" that I'm seeing. Considering that we are not even sure which alkaloids specifically are responsible for the effects, even a well crystallized extract may not be representative of the full active alkaloid profile. I wonder what the best broad spectrum solvent would be. I'd probably start with chloroform. In my experience it doesn't seem like the actives break down in naptha. Maybe you could do a prewash with it and then also defatten the chloroform before evaporating. Then proceed as before. I don't know. I'm just thinking out loud. Like I said, I'd probably just make a crude liquid MG extract.
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I'm in the middle of that tek right now I'm waiting for the anhydrous acetone to evaporate which should be sometime tomorrow and I will be moving on too the next step please keep me posted on how yours turns out G.Rambo My thoughts are the echos of past experiences that guide me through future experiences... All of the statements in the above section are complete fiction  There's a thin line between sanity and insanity... and I just snorted it.
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What i found helpful for evap, was using the top of a dehydrator and place it right above your evap dish. works great!
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The_Free_One wrote:What i found helpful for evap, was using the top of a dehydrator and place it right above your evap dish. works great! If I had access to one that would be great but I just have it outside in the dark for now G.Rambo My thoughts are the echos of past experiences that guide me through future experiences... All of the statements in the above section are complete fiction  There's a thin line between sanity and insanity... and I just snorted it.
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Definitely think about getting one. its helped cut time down on extractions for SWIM every time
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The_Free_One wrote:Definitely think about getting one. its helped cut time down on extractions for SWIM every time Will do G.Rambo My thoughts are the echos of past experiences that guide me through future experiences... All of the statements in the above section are complete fiction  There's a thin line between sanity and insanity... and I just snorted it.
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 "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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Would this be crystal LSA?? Great picture!
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from fungus, not seeds. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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benzyme wrote:from fungus, not seeds.
What kind of fungi? Was it Acremonium Endophyte growing on Stipa Robusta? 3... 2... 1... BLAST OFF!!!!FFO TSALB ...1 ...2 ...3 My grafting guide
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nope c.paspali "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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Cool. I am gonna look into that.  3... 2... 1... BLAST OFF!!!!FFO TSALB ...1 ...2 ...3 My grafting guide
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Very interesting, did a quick search, not much right off the bat......is this a new angle for LSA?
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hardly, it's actually quite old. just a bit more involved, seeds are simpler to work with. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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So do you just let the fungus grow in the right conditions until you have enough to extract lsa from? G.Rambo My thoughts are the echos of past experiences that guide me through future experiences... All of the statements in the above section are complete fiction  There's a thin line between sanity and insanity... and I just snorted it.
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the right conditions being a liquid culture. it's a four-phase process. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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