i don't think employers give a good god damn.

They do not, and neither do probation officers. It is still none the less a false positive.

That's what my point was. Not if the employers give a damn, becaus they do not. And again, neither do probation officers.

anyway i just had my first proper trip...it was unblievable... the wind was blowing tree branches fast after it hit me everything slowed down and the branches looked like they were dancing togethor and very happy i almost felt like they were syaing hello to me and dancing in a way to entertain me...

everytime i looked at man made patterns like pavement, wall bricks etc i felt like my mind locking up or confused but when i looked at natural nature i felt good again.

and my eye site became extremely sharp

Found this quote from this link:


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What about the harmala's please?
Harmine, harmaline, harmal, thh, all the things of vine and rue.

i would be highly surprised.

most drug tests are just dinky little TLC kits with reagents for thc, coke, heroin, meth, and maybe a couple others.

i have not heard of any drug tests that detected MAOIs of any kind.

and it wouldn't really make much sense since there are TONS of anti-depressent medications that are MAOIs.

also i would imagine RIMAs would be much harder to detect than traditional MAO, though i am not really knowledgeable enough to be sure.

i very highly doubt it, but i make no guarantee.

I really resonate with the sentiment of your post, I've also noticed this phenomena under the influence of psychedelics.

For me, man made geometric patterns in the form of right angles invoke images of serpents of a seemingly malevolent nature.

For me natural forms invoke images and feelings of benevolence which is pure bliss.

Quite right, the labor is best done by sedated robots, don't wake them up as they might see what they're doing

I have never failed one for Rue Harmala extract. Mescaline doesn't cause a postitive. 2c-X's don't, tryptamines haven't.

The only psychedelics that have cause a positive test is MDMA and MDA.
Edit: For me anyways.

I know this is a slightly older topic, but I have a few questions.

Is there any tests that can detect tryptamines? I know there are many different tests, 5 panel all the way through 14 panel I believe.

I am asking because I recently got put on probation for possession of marijuana, mushrooms, and some pills. My thinking is that because I was caught with mushrooms, they may do a more extensive test to try to catch me using such substances?

I really want to ingest some mushrooms or smoke some DMT again, not to escape all this but to try to have some deeper insight into my situation in general and to try to contact some entities that could maybe put all this into a better perspective for me. I use to use these things as self exploration tools, or as religious sacraments.

I want to continue doing so, because they have helped me greatly in the past with many issues. I am just worried that because they had caught me with some mushrooms, that they will do more extensive testing compared to someone who was just caught with marijuana. Can they do this?

With dmt you will be fine i think. Mushrooms? I dont know

That is good enough for me, I will just stay away from the mushrooms until this is over unless someone can provide me with some scientific proof that it can not be detected no matter what. Im not going to screw my life up just because I want to use my sacrament.

That is good to know that the DMT can not be tested for though, I shall have to extract some (not at my own house obviously due to PO coming by randomly), so I can still have something to deeper explore my psyche and have a sacrament.

It IS possible to test for tryptamine metabolites, such tests exist, but they will only work as long as a certain number of the metabolites are in your system. DMT should be entirely out of your system in 24 hours.
I don't know the pharmacodynmics of psilocybing/psilocin, but since both are substituted dimethyltryptamines, I can't imagine that it will be all that much longer.

If you were caught with mushrooms, I would assume they'd be testing you for them. If you're just taking a job drug test, I don't think you have to worry. Psychedelics aren't part of the SAMHSA-5 (which is weed, amphetamines, cocain, opiates, PCP).

If you're on probation, play it safe. If you NEED psychedelics that badly, you have a problem. Drug laws are draconion, and it's not worth your freedom. Ride it out, expand your consciousness with meditation, yoga or flow. It'll all be ok.

Blessings
~ND

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There's a really good post by Korey in this thread. I'd check it out and follow his method of checking out the company that does the test, for peace of mind.

Respect your own dignity as a conscious entity and never ever work somewhere that would subject you to these fascist pee-exams.

Never work anywhere with a dress code neither. Seriously. Why give away your freedom like that?

Do you have the right to complain about the war on drugs after submitting to such invasions on privacy, to such assaults on liberty, to such a blatant degradation of the individual and his/her right to chose what is best for his/herself?

I do not NEED psyches, I just enjoy the mind expanding properties that they give and the benefits that they have given me. I am trying to play it safe by asking a knowledgable community about this issue, and I do not plan on using anything that will get me caught. I do not even feel the need to use these, and am completely ok with not using these substances until this is all cleared up.

However, if I still can safely do so, then why not? Like I said, I do not use them for fun and enjoyment, but rather for personal exploration and growth. They have caused great revelations in my past that have brought about great changes in my life. If I can continue to have these great revelations, and continue to change myself for the better due to what I am shown, then why would one want to give that up?

It is not like I use them all the time either, It would be a once in a very long time thing. Especially with being on probation. I just want to have the reassurance that it would be ok to do so, and you guys have given me insight into that. So I thank you.

Mushies are out of the question it seems like. For DMT though, I see no reason I couldnt smoke some every now and then if its gone within 24 hours. Like I said, I dont NEED it, it is just a treat that helps better understand oneself and the world around you.

Does DMT show up in a drug test? No, because it is metabolised completely. very quickly.

Also DMT already IS in every human being's Urine and blood as it is a part of our natural metabolism.
The best they could do is develop tests that can measure if DMT levels in Urine & blood are higher than
average. And even this cannot be conclusive evidence of Drug use; Schizophrenics & people suffering
Psychotic episodes have been proven to have significantly higher levels of DMT in their blood & urine than
psychologically healthy people. So higher than average DMT levels could also be an indication that the
tested person has had a psychotic/schizoid episode. Or they could just happen to have a somewhat different metabolism, causing higher blood- and urine-levels of DMT naturally.

So no. They'll never really be sure wether or not you have been smoalking DMT or not,
unless they catch you in the act of doing it.

I'm on probation for shrooms.

They will not test you for tryptamine or phenethylamine psychedelics in your 5 panel and in your 14 panel drug tests.

The mushrooms will not fail a drug test. I promise you. I've taken 2-4 drug tests a month for 2 years and they will not show up in a test. They don't test you for ANY of the tryptamines or even the phenethylamines. The only drugs in that category you have to stay away from is MDMA and MDA.

NIDA-5. Wiki it.

Thats what 99% of your pre-employment drug testing looks for.

Only alpha-methylated phenethylamines will cause a false positive for methamphetamine/amphetamines. And in such a case, they send it to a lab to make sure its actually meth/amp and not a false positive (cold medications, lots of other stuff that can trigger a false amp positive test).

You could get lucky, if the lab says it was not in fact meth/amp, or you could not, if they find out what it is. But thats alot more work/money involved. You may be able to just say you took some cold medication with ephedrine/psuedo in it, and they won't look into it further, once the lab confirms its not amp/meth.

Not to say they can't test for other things, tryptamine tests do exist, but are almost never used, and not something tested for in the nida-5.

I highly doubt mescaline would trip an amphetamine test. But, i have no proof there.

I do, though, have a amp/meth piss test, and mdma piss test, and both mescaline and mdma. Next time i take one of the two i'll test myself and see if it comes up positive for anything. Hardly scientific, but better than just theorizing about the topic.

DMT though, tryptamines, you have NO worries. Unless you work somewhere where they test for more than the nida-5, and they get a sample within 24hr of when you dosed. Highly unlikely though.

I think its simply because of the way you worded it "amphetamine based phens will cause a false positive", it seemed like a misunderstanding to me, simply because you said amphetamine based implying that it has an amphetamine structure meaning it should show up as a positive on a test. That's my take on it.