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#1641 Posted : 3/26/2013 10:20:05 PM

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Hi there Diazin,

to remove any impurities, you can try to wash your oil with a sodium carbonate solution. Check the step #4 in the Hippie Salad Oil Tek, also using vegetable oil.
 

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#1642 Posted : 3/26/2013 11:24:31 PM
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Hi Vodsel! First of all, thank you for replying!

Im gonna try the sodium carbonate tomorrow. Ill let the content to sit for this night and see what happens, since it seems to, although slowly, becoming bifasic. Then Ill just do the sodium carbonate to fully extract the whole oil from the bark, since it seems that theres no lime into the liquid.
 
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#1643 Posted : 3/26/2013 11:27:48 PM

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hello all, great thread here. hopefully one of you beautiful people could help me out today.
i'm on the 9th naphtha wash in the panoramix hbwr lsa tek

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/PanoraMIX_HBWR_Extract

and i've been decanting the naphtha into another bottle and quite a bit of something has settled to the bottom of it. my question is should i gather this and add it to the rest to do acetone pulls on? or do you think some of what i've been pulling OUT of the hbwr seeds has settled on the bottom.
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#1644 Posted : 3/27/2013 12:04:46 PM

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Hello whoever.

I recently tried Kash's LSA extraction. Let me start by highlighting my only differences from the tek: I started with 750 Morning Glory seeds, not HBWR (my next go will feature 200 HBWR, I just happened to not use them this first time), and instead of toluene or DCM, I used Xylene.

My main question is about the final pull (where I used Xylene): What is the best technique for mixing? I used half-pint mason jars, so I shook the hell out of all of my mixtures really, thinking that my vigor would somehow encourage more LSA to jump ship. However, I have seen elsewhere people saying to stir gently for these kinds of extracts. How should I generally be handling these mixtures?

Also, from whosoever cares' previous experience(s), what types of mistakes are common for this extraction, i.e. what should I watch out for, like ph (I just used the approximations in the tek like "pinch" and "~1ml" etc, but I have ph strips on the way, so I should be able to be more precise next go round), letting it sit in certain solutions too long, shaking too vigorously, mixing incorrectly, and so on.

I attempted to follow the tek as scrupulously as possible, but as this was my first attempt at an extraction, I'm sure my general technique had its flaws. I would love for anyone to give me any advice or insight as to how to go about this extract again, especially someone who has followed this tek to good results before (Kash's input would be worshipped.)

Thank you

MUSHUSHAMPOO

edit: I'm not really sure where to post this kind of question, so until someone tells me other wise I'm going to try to start a new thread with it I suppose. Wrong?
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#1645 Posted : 3/29/2013 12:24:32 AM
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Hell, now I just cant pull the dmt from the solvent (sunflower oil). The solvent is all white and no matter how much I salt it, the salting never gives out the DMT. Should I basefy the solvent, or use an acid stronger than vinegar?
 
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#1646 Posted : 3/29/2013 2:33:24 AM
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Listen, maybe Im just too dumb. What happens is the following: Im using q21's tek. When I evaporate the tincture, I do it in an oven-safe dish on my stove. Does DMT denaturate with such a heat? Because I get the brown goo, although way too oily, it seems just like the one in the q21's pic, but when I smoke it, nothing.. and I tried with large amounts.
 
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#1647 Posted : 4/3/2013 2:47:28 AM

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Noob here trying to use Cyb salt tek... I'm skipping the acid stage (as it says you can in the tek) but cyb has been pretty adamant about ending up with 700ml of liquid at the end...

How do I make up for the 200ml of water and the 60ml of vinegar used for the acid step to get to 700ml?

Does this matter? Do I just add more water and not add the vinegar or just go with the mix as is? Any help is appreciated as I'm in mid stroke with this thing. Thanks gang!
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#1648 Posted : 4/3/2013 8:09:33 AM

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Just add more water...the amounts shown are just to raise the water levels to a desired height in the 1 litre bottle so that the solvent layer can be reached effectively.
More water won't hurt.
If you skip the acid soak, you are now doing an STB with salt addition.
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#1649 Posted : 4/3/2013 12:43:37 PM

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Thanks so much Cyb!!!!
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#1650 Posted : 4/4/2013 4:14:14 AM

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I haven't found much information on the technique I've been contemplating so help will be much appreciated. I recieved 100g of acacia confusa rootbark and I also have syrian rue although I honestly do not want to use any maoi. My plan was to use a traditional method to brew 20g of the acacia and reduce to store in a mason jar to evaporate for a few days. After a few days I'm guessing the result will be a tar/resin or a salt? If that's the case I've read that the melting point would be high, so would smoking in a light bulb be affective?. What about sublingually? Would i just split up whatever product i have into 2 doses (would the resulting resin/salt equate to a formosahuasca dosage). Would like to find an alternative way to breakthrough without maoi or an extraction tek.
 
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#1651 Posted : 4/6/2013 5:19:56 PM
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Hey guys I'm a little worried about my yield for my first extraction. I used 100g mhrb using a straight to base extraction where I mixed the powdered bark with 1L of water, left this for an hour. Then added 120g lye, stirred plenty, and left this for another hour. I then added 120ml of warmed naphtha and stirred, leaving this for 6 hours. I pulled this then added another 120ml naphtha (I used lighter fluid btw) stirred and left this overnight. Probably another 8 hours. I cleaned each pull by adding 400ml water, shaking the jars and then removing the water. I then combined these two pulls, let them evaporate to 3/4 their initial volume and freeze precipitated the mixture. I placed it in the fridge for 4 hours and then in the freezer for 18 hours. This yielded roughly 0.2g of white/yellow crystals. I have read that the average yield is about 1% and so I'm at a loss as to where the rest has gone. I am currently evaporating the extracted naphtha again and will probably freeze precipitated when the volume is low enough, will it save my skin?

Any help would be much appreciated

Thanks

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#1652 Posted : 4/6/2013 6:29:50 PM

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Priestofloltol wrote:
... I cleaned each pull by adding 400ml water, shaking the jars and then removing the water...

Did you add some sodium carbonate in that water to make it a base?
 
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#1653 Posted : 4/6/2013 9:58:39 PM
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Jees wrote:
Did you add some sodium carbonate in that water to make it a base?

No I didn't, this was the step I thought was a bad idea but the tek I was following suggested it so I followed.
Should I have?
 
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#1654 Posted : 4/6/2013 10:11:39 PM

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You have to mix the nap and the bark layer many times...
Not just stir and leave it.
Nap is not a magic magnet that will suck up all the goodies.
It must 'touch' every part of the black liquid so that the transfer can take place.
Therefore many 'stirs' over an hour will transfer and saturate the nap ready for pulling away and freezing.

This may account for your low yield.
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#1655 Posted : 4/7/2013 2:33:27 AM
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Thanks Cyb,

To be honest, I did stir quite a few times throughout the time, maybe 4 or 5 for each.
I just forgot to write that in my initial post. I may not have stirred enough or something.

I did only stir when I was present so a few times before the bulk of my waiting and a
couple of times after.
 
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Priestofloltol wrote:
Jees wrote:

Did you add some sodium carbonate in that water to make it a base?


No I didn't, this was the step I thought was a bad idea but the tek I was following suggested it so I followed.
Should I have?


In this link they only wash with SC in the water.
 
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#1658 Posted : 4/8/2013 12:43:31 AM
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Hello, i was wondering if somebody could help me understand what went wrong in my recent extraction. The reason i believe it failed is because after leaving the naptha in the freezer for 2 days, there were no signs of crystals forming. For reference, i was using Marsofold's Tek. So this is what I did that deviated from the tek.

After acid/dmt cooking, i poured the solution from the crock pot into a glass jar. i let the solution sit in the glass jar for 2 days. I didn't have another glass container, so i poured the contents back into the crock pot (which i had cleaned out with tap water and let to sit dry), cleaned out the glass jar with tap water, and poured it back in.

I didn't have pure NaOH (lye) so i used Instant Power: Hair and Grease opener (http://www.scotchcorp.com/downloads/MSDS%20UK%201969-70.pdf). Now the Safety and Data sheet said it was 60-70% NaOH and 5-10% KOH. Since both are strong bases, i didn't think much of it (i assumed the rest of the contents was water). I adjusted the mass of the base to be dissolved to make up for the lack of purity (used 71g instead of 50g).

Upon adding the basic solution, the contents of the jar turned completely black. Gently rocked the jar side to side for 5 min, added the naptha, rocked for another 5-10 min, and then let sit for 2 days (i didn't realize at the time that the naptha WASNT supposed to change color Razz).

I then used a baster to separate the naptha and put the contents in a small plastic cup.

I left the cup in for one night. Checked the next day, taking it out for maybe 1min: nothing. Same thing next day: nothing.

Someone wanna help me out on this?

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#1659 Posted : 4/9/2013 1:46:26 PM

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First of all try to get real lye.There is in every food store in cleaning section for cleaning pipes ex.

Then Polvo Tepezcohuite,As far as i understand that is roasted and upper bark scrapping and you want the real root bark,real mimosa root bark.
I am alost sure you are using the wrong material.
 
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#1660 Posted : 4/10/2013 7:09:36 PM

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Hello there to all brothers and sisters !
I hope you are all well .
I am a new member here .

I just have a simple question for now .
I have some ethanol/alcohol liquid that is supposed to be pure , but I do not know for sure since a friend of mine brought it from a hospital in a bottle with no description on it .
It is clear and colorless and smells like pure , and when I pour some in hands and rub , it evaporates instandly .
My question is this , since I do not know how pure it is , also having poor knowledge about chemistry , does anyone know if other chemicals are inside that can not evaporate in dry air , and are harmful in human consumption ?
I did some research on the net but haven't found many answers , I will appreciate a direct answer from a brother that has good knowledge in chemistry .
I just did an extraction from some herbs using this ethanol liquid , then I just placed the liquid extract in glass plate and let it dry with air .
I did this with 3 different herbs , one of them is dried completely , left with brown powder with some crystals in . The other 2 plant extracts are left with a sticky tar resin .
Now , I just want to know if these extracts have any chemicals in that didn't evaporate and can be dangerous for human .
Is it possible that this ethanol liquid has anything else inside that is not good for human consumption ?

Thank you
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