jai
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I have created a thread in which I have determined to be as accurate as possible, and to move in a proper sequence so as to provide context for certain Ideas.
Thank you
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Ninja of Consciousness
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Finding a tremendous amount of curiosity in your post... however a part of me isn't sure whether it's right to assist others in this way, maybe reading it was what I needed to hear to affirm already thought thoughts... however, many paths to the same thing, by telling someone the answer to their problem, the problem then adapts the answer to the question... I think maybe the truth is much simpler than all of that, as beautiful as it is  One can drive himself to madness in the obsessing goal of reason, without the knowledge of love and laughter.
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jai
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yes
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how does this crystalization actually happen ? illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
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jai
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yes
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cubeananda wrote:If I do not crystallize in this life, I will come soo close to it, that in the future, this process can be accelerated expoentially. This third eye will crystallize, and light other people's flames and this process will continue. The actual enlightenment means being detatched from all this though. One can be separate from all this right now, but still be aware there are further lives for the third eye to go through. Being separate from the struggles of one's own life and from the procession of lives one's own third eye has to go through means that one is living from the scale of the absolute. The absolute wants to develops as many "angels" (escaped, crystallized third eyes) as he possibly can, but he doesn't really identify witht he pain his creations have to go through to get there, because the absolute is all-understanding and know that its worth it on a mutuall-ybeneficial level. Anyways the absolute was just completely alone for a nearly infinite amount of time before he concieve of a way to make friends  Having third eye present in silence is everything. The crystallization process is just a part of the ultimate fractal. Being crystallized means having escaped from that fractal. One is immortal if one's third eye is present in silence, but that third eye must continue to be ensnared by the fractal for a handful of lives still. Bringing presence to third eye and sustaining it (a blue flame) takes soo many f*cking lifetimes of work, that it is a miracle in and of itself. for a boddhisattva this is the reality, there is nothing to do accept allow higher influences to work with and through him. With the sequence, this process is accelerated. Intoning the sequence is a matter of perfecting the art of stepping out of the way, and allowing higher energies to work through you internally, not externally. for instance, the sequence is a micro-scale version of the whole progression of the soul. The 6th plane is Be coming back to itself, while the 7th plane is the first worldless breath. One's self compeltely dissolves and all there is left for the moment of the three seconds of that step in the sequence is one's being entirely consumed by fire and there is nothing left of you. It is the same on the macro-scale, but it is permanent and not momentary. But because all moments are also happening at once, the human body, if it is prepared, can actually experience a glimpse of the permanent internal 7th plane state for a few moments. If the body is not ready, it simply will not find itself in a permanent 7th plane state. It can cause damage and can prevent further growth during this life. Higher influences are working with everybody, and they really don't want that, so it rarely happens unless there is a higher reason for it. ok this answers some of the questions i had , however you do know some traditions are hell bent on achieving all this within this very lifetime rather than waiting for the next one ? what are your views on that also do you believe that all this has to be achieved because some believe one should do good and greater powers will bestow all this naturally without needing to work towards it ? also can all this be really achieved or lets just pray and hope God gifts all this to us also how much of trying to achieve such things is personal will and how much of it is really the Cosmic will after all i have heard stories of the undeserving ones who would try and try to achieve all this for the wrong reasons and fail again and again wasting time , while a pure devotee would attain it naturally while doing something as mundane as singing or playing because the goodness and supreme will trump everything also i understand the part about writing text and trying to explain it all , frankly its not possible to explain this just by writing some pages of text , the only way is to experience this also this is a lot of metaphysical , metaphorical and mystical jargon , that can appear to be utter nonsense to many how about writing things in more of simple everyday language , that can be more comprehensible to everyone illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
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fool adept
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This made alot of sense and resonated with my own models of enlightenment/immortality that I have built from comparing different wisdom traditions and my sober and entheogenic experiences. I second Jin in saying why do all the work so that your next life can become enlightened? I am at the 6th stage in my own model, very similar to yours. I am beginning to have longer and longer periods of thoughtlessness through mindfulness and various sadhanas(spiritual practices). I have long thought that I will reach the 7th circuit of consciousness in this life but it seems to require different effort [or lack of effort] than it took to reach the 6th circuit. (which was reached for me by experience of GREAT suffering.) I often think the 7th level is reached by some sort of letting-go or surrender. Something that seems impossible to the seeker mind that went through so much pain to reach the 6th circuit. I am beginning to acquiesce more and more to experience and seeming to merge with it. A sort of "permanent Low-level LSD trip as you said". I will look into Robert Burton. I have studied Fourth Way techniques before. Great post you really wrote some BOMBS in there. Anyone who resonates with them will really appreciate it being put into language. [although it loses something in language, but what other way to share  ] For others this might sound preachy or WAY OUT THERE. But thanks again really enjoyed this. In the province of the mind what one believes to be true, either is true or becomes true within certain limits. These limits are to be found experimentally and experientially. When so found these limits turn out to be further beliefs to be transcended. In the province of the mind there are no limits. However, in the province of the body there are definite limits not to be transcended.-J.C. Lilly
The Spice must flow
Zat was Zen and dis is Dao.
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yes
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Jin wrote:how about writing things in more of simple everyday language , that can be more comprehensible to everyone
i will once again ask cubeananda to make it simpler and more understandable , what i still don't understand is what are these levels and how can one really know what these levels are ? or on what level one is currently at ? what are the signs ? what to look out for ? how does one see the world or universe after crystalization and are we talking about gaining immortality for our concioussness when we talk about this ? some of the jargon used is incomprehensible , i mean i understand the flame metaphor for the energy within us and so on , also i understand the part about conscious breathing however the rest is still hazy and how the OP is expecting us to ascend through levels and all that is extremely vague once again i ask when you talk about flame what is it exactly you're talking about ... is it the energy , or our concious awareness when it comes to spirituality , i really like to see techniques work and be understandable in common everday language and terms , otherwise it can turn ito a total waste , so cubeananda i ask you again , clarify more and make it understandable otherwise the effort for betterment is lost illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
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jai
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fool adept
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Time for me to be patient continue sadhana and wait for that higher power. I guess the struggle towards 7th plane can become the barrier to its fruition. Although I feel as if Im slipping into it. I guess like water coming to a boil at some point I will just change and "become steam". What do you think about the idea that the individual must make every effort, until exhaustion and then, the higher power will rush in at the time of giving up, when even hope has gone. In the province of the mind what one believes to be true, either is true or becomes true within certain limits. These limits are to be found experimentally and experientially. When so found these limits turn out to be further beliefs to be transcended. In the province of the mind there are no limits. However, in the province of the body there are definite limits not to be transcended.-J.C. Lilly
The Spice must flow
Zat was Zen and dis is Dao.
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jai
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yes
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thanks for clarifying more cubeananda , its best we learn as much as possible , i always like to ask more questions for the more i learn , the better i can understand , the more i seem to evolve much of spiritual studies are shrouded in mysteries and sometimes the things written vaguely understandable , however the more i learn the more i can understand the details , the clearer it becomes thanks for answering some of my questions , they are helping me take all this in and fit pieces together in my own bigger picture , i can't say i understand it all , however i never have understood all of anything ever so perhaps knowing partially is my path , yet pieces always are fitting together to make everything more clearer much peace brother also its great you're reading Meher Baba that is certainly a step in the right direction illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
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DMT-Nexus member
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This mantra has a little story in it  Quote:Light
Infinite,
The Channel.
Expanding Psychedelic Vibration,
Timeless Unity, Activating Resonant Galactic Radiant Defined Electric Lunar Magnetic Planetary Balanced Organized Connected Inspired In Harmony In-tegrity Perfect Manifestation
Dissolving,
Releasing,
Liberated,
Dedicated,
Universalized and Divine, Transcending Mantra Being Communicating Spirit, Breathing Cosmic Essence Power Action,
Dreaming Abundance Intuition,
God, Extreme, Internal and External
Flowering,
The Clocking Aware Lifeforce Surviving,
DMT Spiraling Arc Accomplishing Healing Beauty
Elegance Pure,
Flowing Love,
Chakras Co-inciding, Playing Magic Elusive Free Will Wise Exploring Space and Time
Waking Life Vivid, Enchanting,
Timelessness and Complete, Infinite Design
Alien, Human,
Receptive Vision,
Energy Mindful,
Questioning,
Answering,
Intelligent,
Fearless,
Evolving,
Opening My Third Eye to the Unseen Vision, Translating
Synchronicity Reflecting Endlessness,
Order and Chaos,
The Tao Crystalized,
Self-generation Affirming Enlightened,
Blind The Tone, The Color Electronic
Lunar and Solar, Opposite and Polar Language Radial,
Particles of Plasma,
Endurance Cosmic,
Releasing,
Liberating,
Perfect Pulsing,
Realizing
The One Because The One Are All,
Form The Infinite, Nothing That Becomes The Everything, Symbolic Relative,
The Divine Spirit that Harmonizes with Laws Projecting Controlled Experience,
Desire Being,
We, We Are You
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jai
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Thank you for transcribing all of that.
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What do you say to someone who is basically unpinnable on the spiritual continuum? Essentially I carry hallmarks of experiences/natures along the entire journey but I could not classify myself as a 'beginner', an 'adept', a 'master' nor a 'bodhisattva'/'buddha'.
I'm ignorant but entirely enlightened. I am past the point of total cessation of doubt/fear yet I crave like a beast, with a thirst that your average person doesn't really seem to have. Still angry, still shy, still anxious. Many resonations with this thread; particularly on the nature of the inner flame, which once lit or brought to awareness, can never really be extinguished.
Essentially I had my crown and 3rd eye chakras blasted open, I've always been top heavy. So now after a few harsh kundalini experiences I'm stabilising the lower centres, which had been neglected for decades. Currently working on just letting the higher energies work through me. Today has been quite a breakthrough in fact, in terms of letting go. My body is constantly fighting me, locking me out of good posture and tensing up. Today I let it be and slowly I feel myself coming back to calmness. I feel so upside down 'spiritually', like I've missed the several decades of asanas/meditation/whatever that would let me channel insight correctly. Got a light but there's nothing to smoke.
Do you know anything about 'karmic precipitation'? I heard that it is possible to trigger long latent negative karmas upon an awakening experience. Meaning that although you might have awakened, suddenly you are now suffering harder than ever as all your negative karma has caught up/been released. There is still a lot of rage within me, which stands in incredible contrast to the insight/clarity of awakening. How do I make sense of this rage? I see it as comical & transient but at the same time it's every bit a legitimate feeling, a legitimate reaction to traumas.
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yes
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embracethevoid wrote:
Do you know anything about 'karmic precipitation'? I heard that it is possible to trigger long latent negative karmas upon an awakening experience. Meaning that although you might have awakened, suddenly you are now suffering harder than ever as all your negative karma has caught up/been released. There is still a lot of rage within me, which stands in incredible contrast to the insight/clarity of awakening. How do I make sense of this rage? I see it as comical & transient but at the same time it's every bit a legitimate feeling, a legitimate reaction to traumas.
i don't think its your "karmic precipitation " , it could be yet i think the rage in you has more to do with practicing bramacharya , if you're still on the path, i'll say its best when you're older say 60 also as being young you're bound to fall again and agaim due to attraction towards females , if rage is still in you , you're not harnessing this energy properly and possibly tearing your chakras apart in the process i'll say be cautious when it comes to all this , i don't know whether you're heading in the right direction or not since i am a misguided fool aswell , so its best you take all of this with a grain of salt and make your own decison illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
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"I'm ignorant but entirely enlightened. I am past the point of total cessation of doubt/fear yet I crave like a beast, with a thirst that your average person doesn't really seem to have. Still angry, still shy, still anxious." I fail to understand how all of the equals enlightenment. Just my opinion but I sort of am skeptical of anyone who openly goes around claiming they are enlightened. Long live the unwoke.
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I'm talking in a more colloquial sense than anything. Of course 'Enlightenment' with a capital E is a whole different ballgame. How could a being beyond suffering altogether who has finished their journey have cause to be angry in any way, or crave anything?
Enlightened more so in the context of the inner flame discussed in this thread; literally a light that is lit. Pretty simple, there is no clout associated with it -
"And It just crystalizes into a permanent state of presence. This is what it means to be enlightened."
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Embracethevoid... You mentioned "karmic precipitation "...I'm not sure i can define that but,i recommend googling "The Tibetan Yogas of dream and sleep by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche PDF " for the most concise and non-dual definition of Karma i have came across. It talks in terms of Karmic traces, which i think may be what you meant by precipitation.(starts at about page 25 i think) For now just remain in a state of acceptance. Something else that may be apt for your right now...and i'm sure many others too. "When kundalini has just awakened and you are not able to handle it, it is called Kali. When you can handle it and are able to use it for beneficial purposes and you become powerful on account of it, it is called Durga." The transition from Kali to durga, will bring up a lot of issues in your lower centres. Namely things that have been deeply ingrained in the subconscious and stored in your sacral chakra...desires,cravings,conditioned responses...karmic traces .... Tying back to the original point of the thread too, the sacral chakra is also tied to the lower astral plane. In order to progress on our paths, we have to transmute the lower energetic centers within us, so they are in balance with the rest of our entire psyche/soul or what ever you want to call it.  (and for people who don't deal with chakras, then simpy the part of your mind that deals with desire and the entire sub-conious mind. Be at peace with it though. I have found once of the easiest ways to balance things out is to take the fast-train in to your heart centred awareness. As soon as you focus on gratitude, You shift attention to what is already there and what is already 'enough' as apposed to what is lacking,incomplete or 'wrong'. When we can be grateful for the challenges and the problems and obstacles we face, they know longer have power over us and we can begin to manage and assimilate the deeper lessons we are trying to teach ourselves. But yeah, Check that Tibetan yogas of dream and sleep may shed more light on the karmic thing. (also very relevant to all those interested in the Astral ) Every thought we have has the potential to leave a karmic trace. Karma occurs at the level of thought first and foremost, Prior to any subsequent action. As soon as we recognize we are constantly leaving traces to pick up on in the future and that our current responses are already governed by the traces we have left before, then we can bring more mindfulness to our thoughts and actions and take further strides in to Self-Mastery, Bodhisattva, enlightenment etc
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yes
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embracethevoid wrote:
"And It just crystalizes into a permanent state of presence. This is what it means to be enlightened."
the experience of presence is always on/off for me , one moment i am aware than the next i drop into thinking and then aware again and so on i am listening to forest trance all the time to combat this dropping into thought , i've also been trying other methods aswell still i suppose its work to be aware all the time , perhaps it takes a litttle effort only , however i am waiting for it to become permanent enough that it requires no effort on my part good you add this to the thread , this makes it even clearer to understand the crystallization process illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
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