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DamiasOfEgypt
#21 Posted : 3/24/2013 12:07:52 AM

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Guys, i totally agree with what you guys are saying and how angry you can get at his ignorance but don't you think you flamed him enough by now?

I know i'm not a full member yet but i must say that even though what he said was wrong it was all said with good intentions.

I'm not taking sides here but he was just expressing an idea openly, and as far as i know he didn't say that he planned on doing any of this at all.

He simply wants to enlighten people about how the world really is. And i don't think that we should be as harsh about this whole ordeal.

I completely disagree with what he said and for future reference, if you want to get a message trying to force them to see it that way is like when people try to yell at people the truth of god in the streets. It only leads to people being frightened and avoiding anything related to you or your message thus, pushing them further in the dark.

I understand that people are really pissed of by this, but why don't we instead of shooting him down, correct him where he was wrong and point him into a better direction.

After all, dont we want to support each other instead of just degrading each other?
 

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#22 Posted : 3/24/2013 1:11:37 AM

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DamiasOfEgypt wrote:

I understand that people are really pissed of by this, but why don't we instead of shooting him down, correct him where he was wrong and point him into a better direction.

After all, dont we want to support each other instead of just degrading each other?


i agree we should point the OP in a better direction

yet the OP has to also show a willingness to open his mind and listen to the wise advice given here ,

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#23 Posted : 3/24/2013 1:20:14 AM

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No no you cant do that thats terrible, your playing with peoples minds if you do that!!!!! you have to want the knowledge it cant be forced upon any one, its hard enough living with the experience when you do want it imagine that happend to you!!!

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#24 Posted : 3/24/2013 1:28:34 AM

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sorry didnt read the rest of the posts, my bad Embarrased
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DamiasOfEgypt
#25 Posted : 3/24/2013 1:29:24 AM

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Jin wrote:
DamiasOfEgypt wrote:

I understand that people are really pissed of by this, but why don't we instead of shooting him down, correct him where he was wrong and point him into a better direction.

After all, dont we want to support each other instead of just degrading each other?


i agree we should point the OP in a better direction

yet the OP has to also show a willingness to open his mind and listen to the wise advice given here ,



I completely agree with you but, next time it might help if we start off with trying to help instead of opening fire.

It's hard to open your mind when every time you expose yourself you meet flames and bullets.
 
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#26 Posted : 3/24/2013 2:06:53 AM

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DamiasOfEgypt wrote:
Jin wrote:
DamiasOfEgypt wrote:

I understand that people are really pissed of by this, but why don't we instead of shooting him down, correct him where he was wrong and point him into a better direction.

After all, dont we want to support each other instead of just degrading each other?


i agree we should point the OP in a better direction

yet the OP has to also show a willingness to open his mind and listen to the wise advice given here ,



I completely agree with you but, next time it might help if we start off with trying to help instead of opening fire.

It's hard to open your mind when every time you expose yourself you meet flames and bullets.


I think he needs to realise the error of his ways and I'm sure he has now by the responses, the guy asked how can he slip people dmt without their knowledge I think tough love in this case is necessary because as someone else said you never see posts like this so the reaction by most is completely justified and hopefully this helps the OP. As I said before the majority of people go through this phase of wanting humanity to experience dmt but you grow out ofit and with more dmt experiences you end up realising it really isn't for everyone. Think of your worst dmt trip, now imagine that happening to someone you love, the op clearly has only had a few experiences unlike most in this thread as you can see have had the horror it can bring, you can't risk that with others, dmt has given me some of the most terrible experiences of my life, ever nothing comparable! This is what your dealing with not some benign guaranteed love vibe thing!
 
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#27 Posted : 3/24/2013 3:46:33 AM

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The most important thing is : you can't help anyone but yourself.

So help yourself, and when you'll get "there", your Light will shine for those who seek it.

The only thing you can do for others is to love them *inconditionally*, as they are, to help them realize they too, are God.
 
DamiasOfEgypt
#28 Posted : 3/24/2013 3:54:05 AM

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Infinite I wrote:
DamiasOfEgypt wrote:
Jin wrote:
DamiasOfEgypt wrote:

I understand that people are really pissed of by this, but why don't we instead of shooting him down, correct him where he was wrong and point him into a better direction.

After all, dont we want to support each other instead of just degrading each other?


i agree we should point the OP in a better direction

yet the OP has to also show a willingness to open his mind and listen to the wise advice given here ,



I completely agree with you but, next time it might help if we start off with trying to help instead of opening fire.

It's hard to open your mind when every time you expose yourself you meet flames and bullets.


I think he needs to realise the error of his ways and I'm sure he has now by the responses, the guy asked how can he slip people dmt without their knowledge I think tough love in this case is necessary because as someone else said you never see posts like this so the reaction by most is completely justified and hopefully this helps the OP. As I said before the majority of people go through this phase of wanting humanity to experience dmt but you grow out ofit and with more dmt experiences you end up realising it really isn't for everyone. Think of your worst dmt trip, now imagine that happening to someone you love, the op clearly has only had a few experiences unlike most in this thread as you can see have had the horror it can bring, you can't risk that with others, dmt has given me some of the most terrible experiences of my life, ever nothing comparable! This is what your dealing with not some benign guaranteed love vibe thing!


Your right of course. I had a friend who was given a high dose of amanita without his knowledge, how that was accomplished is its own mystery. You was scared out of his mind and didn't know what was going on with him. I can only imagine how bad it would be if he were slipped a breakthrough dose of DMT Shocked . I just believe since most people have been through this we should be more understanding, you know?
 
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#29 Posted : 3/24/2013 4:57:01 AM

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Anyways, this is much talk about nothing, because it's already so difficult to break through on DMT for the first time when it's the only thing you want, so I can't imagine smoking a breakthrough dose without my knowledge Pleased

To the OP : your friends/family will awaken when they are ready.
If you can't accept that, then it is YOU who are not ready Pleased
There's nothing YOU can do about that.
Just love and respect them as they are.
 
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#30 Posted : 3/24/2013 6:27:38 AM

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One of my friends was slipped dmt, and he had the worst most traumatizing experience in his life. He is forever messed up because of it. PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT TO ANYONE!!! PLEASE.

It his highly traumatizing for that to happen to somebody without them being prepared. My friend still has anxiety issues and depression after two years from it. It can really mess someone up. It is not always pleasant. I'm sure you know this. But for the sake of responsible use of DMT and for all of us who use it in a respectful way. PLEASE DO NOT DOSE ANYONE AGAINST THEIR WILL!!!!!

I'm not trying to be mean to you. I've just seen what can happen to a person when dosed with DMT without knowing it and it is bad. This person is extremely against it. Tells everyone how horrible of a drug it is. He is messed up from it emotionally. And it just makes it look really bad.

Plus, DMT isn't the same for anyone. I'm not sure how much experience you have with it, but it can take you to hell. It can be horrifying and traumatizing. It is not always happy and enlightening. Forcing this one somebody is extremely irresponsible and unacceptable. You obviously do not have enough experience with it, or you lack sensible judgement on your actions. Please re-think this move and do not do it. Not everyone would benefit from it. Especially if they do not even want to try it. Even more if they do not want to try it and you slip them a dose without them knowing they were dosed.
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#31 Posted : 3/24/2013 10:40:55 AM

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Infinite I wrote:

I think he needs to realise the error of his ways and I'm sure he has now by the responses, the guy asked how can he slip people dmt without their knowledge I think tough love in this case is necessary because as someone else said you never see posts like this so the reaction by most is completely justified and hopefully this helps the OP.


I agree, if you can"t take a bit of tough love once in a while , you shouldn"t be doing DMT.
 
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#32 Posted : 3/24/2013 11:36:24 AM

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beyond set and setting Intention is the most important factor so if these people have no intention of taking dmt whatsoever then you should not force your intentions onto them.
 
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#33 Posted : 3/24/2013 12:49:08 PM

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Congratulations cosmicalchemist you're the first person that ive voted down for promotion. I would advise you to seriously think about what you have asked the nexus and take a really good look at yourself in the mirror.
 
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#34 Posted : 3/24/2013 1:03:15 PM

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DeMenTed wrote:
Congratulations cosmicalchemist you're the first person that ive voted down for promotion. I would advise you to seriously think about what you have asked the nexus and take a really good look at yourself in the mirror.

What a nice way of sharing your love !

I'd also take areally good look at myself in the mirror, mate...
You're committing the same mistake as he is.

Let's not judge others through the energy of fear, people !
Only have love in your heart, fear won't help you.
 
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#35 Posted : 3/24/2013 1:24:00 PM

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Fear and stupidity aren't the same thing sill(c)one. Why would i share my love with someone who wants to spike people with one of the most powerful hallucinogens on the planet?
 
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#36 Posted : 3/24/2013 1:26:15 PM

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@ CosmicAlchemist: think hard and deep about your proposal and please please please, don't do it, for the sake of the ones you love and wish to help. There is no way this can work out to their benefit. I'm glad you came here first to voice your ideas, so that we could convince you to not go through with it.

@ Everyone else: I'm glad the Nexus is pretty united on this opinion. However I think all that should be said, has been said, in both very harsh tones and more diplomatic and reasonable tones. It's hard to say what is the best way to go about something like this, since it's clearly a very dangerous proposal. Too diplomatic a tone could sound unconvincing while too harsh a tone could have the same effect.
The OP clearly has little experience with psychedelics, but from his second post it seems he has enough wits to read the message we gave him. Hopefully that's enough to dissuade him.

To avoid this turning into a collection of rudeness I'll lock the topic.
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