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Dark DMT - the Other Alkaloid Options
 
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#41 Posted : 8/23/2007 11:04:44 PM

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Zero, Interresting... but xylene indeed seems nasty. Imagining that SWIM can not find 100% pure xylene and that this xylene leaves a very small oily residue after evaporation, do you know what could 'wash' that residue ?
 

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#42 Posted : 8/23/2007 11:12:56 PM

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Ahh, thats too bad. The Xylene here evaporates very clean, no residue. 'm not sure what could wash that. Toluene could also be used, dont know if you have access to clean Toluene either though.
 
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#43 Posted : 8/24/2007 2:32:53 AM
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I have a question. Let's say you've extracted all your normal dmt from a pound of mhrb, and still have the basified solution in the container. Could one go back and extract this red spice using a different solvent?

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#44 Posted : 8/24/2007 2:41:34 AM
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Yes. Do 4 pulls with toluene and evaporate. If you'll go back to page 2 of this thread, I posted my Jungle Tek. It picks up where you are right now, with basified solution that has already had the DMT extracted.
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#45 Posted : 8/24/2007 2:50:51 AM
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[quoteVery happyfb35130fa="entheogenist"]Yes. Do 4 pulls with toluene and evaporate. If you'll go back to page 2 of this thread, I posted my Jungle Tek. It picks up where you are right now, with basified solution that has already had the DMT extracted.[/quoteVery happyfb35130fa]Awesome. I am going to try it and see what the "jungle" spice is all about. Can naptha be used in place of heptane?

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#46 Posted : 8/24/2007 4:47:14 AM
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yeah but heptane is much better
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#47 Posted : 8/24/2007 5:06:23 AM
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not sure heptane is easily found around these parts...have to look hard for it, lol

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#48 Posted : 8/25/2007 12:36:21 AM

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yes ! yellow dmt, that contains the oily, yellow fats is a different 'friendlier' entheogen... Both dmt and other alkaloids must be in the yellow, oily spice ! So if I understand, the MHRB will give-up all those other alkaloids and they find a 'home' in the oils. So we all ought to extract MHRB with acid first at cool temps, and DON"T defat MHRB before basifying ! These alkaloids become soluble, and 'stable' in the acidified water along with the dmt - should we be trying to get the Yuremamine out first..>? Or what is the best solvent to get all alkaloids out when basifying..? I wouldn't mind just one mixed yeild of oily spice... But the yellow oils oxidize to a ruddy-orange colour when stored at room temp for a month in a metal container. This is not good to let go any further, it's degrading as teh colour goes yellow to orange ... I have thought that this 'aged' yellow spice, that becomes 'orange' looks like what the T.McKenna spice must have been; a reddish and smelly mix oils and clear crystals... BUT ! beware it keeps oxidizing and definately goes 'off' ..! it becomes blackish-rusty-red, smells different - when this happens it does not launch you... you get dragged behind the hyperspace shuttle... Bleah !
 
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#49 Posted : 8/25/2007 1:38:07 AM

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This is all very interesting. I have a question do we know for sure that Terrance was referring to mimosa hostilis extract when he gave his description of dmt? I wonder what the legal status of this newly discovered alkaloid is?
 
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#50 Posted : 8/25/2007 1:55:42 AM
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I don't want to rain on anybody's party here, but let's be a little more scientific. There is absolutely [bVery happy54b03b8cf]no[/bVery happy54b03b8cf] evidence whatsoever that the red jungle spice is yuremamine. This is pure conjecture based solely on the fact that 1) some people have started extracting something which seems different than dmt and 2) some researchers isolated a previously unknown phytoindole from mhrb a couple of years ago. This typeof super simple putting two-and-two together just doesn't work and it makes this a pretty weak conjecture. In fact, I correspond occaisionally with Jace Callaway, one of the authors of the famed article "Isolation and Characterization of Yuremamine, a New Phytoindole". I asked him about this and he wrote back that if mhrb is exposed to high pH then this will almost certainly destroy the yuremamine (remember that traditional vinho da jurema is a cold water extract!). Since most people seem to be extracting the red jungle spice as part of an A/B or STB extraction, then this would indicate that whatever they are extracting is most likely [iVery happy54b03b8cf]not[/iVery happy54b03b8cf] yuremamine. Let's just stick to what we know, and be honest about what we don't know. We know that it's possible with certain procedures to extract a substance, probably an alkaloid, that we call "red jungle spice" for lack of a better name. We don't and can't know what the hell this substance is without doing mass specs, TLC, x-ray diffraction, etc. So unless any of you are real chemists with the necessary skills and access to this type of equipment why don't we skip the meaningless guesses, resist the temptation to call this "yuremamine" and just call it "red jungle spice" until a chemist comes a long and straightens this mess out? -z p.s. hey Xenonsion, that is a truly whacked video/icon you got for yourself...I have difficulties stopping watching it. did you get that off youtube? pm me the link please, as I've got to know what those twerps are doing/saying. Wink
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#51 Posted : 8/25/2007 2:29:55 AM

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So if Jungle DMT isn't yumeramine,Zhah,you are implying that there is yet another alkaloid in MHRB that hasn't been identified yet.Have you ever tried the red stuff? It definately isn't the same as the purer white DMT crystals.I agree with you that we should wait till a chemist analyzes this red stuff and comfirms it to be yumeramine before we call it yumeramine.But that leaves us with questions about what exactly is in mimosa rootbark
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#52 Posted : 8/25/2007 8:41:55 AM
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I don't know because I haven't done the analysis myself, but I've heard over on drugs-forum from somebody who does have access to a mass spec that mhrb has buttloads of alkaloids in it, some of them known, some of them probably unknown. Most plants do as they are Chemical Masters and virtual factories of alkaloids. The very fact that yuramamine was only discovered a couple years ago supports this. (I think it was somewhere in this thread: http://www.drugs-forum.c...p;highlight=alkaloid+DMT ) -z
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#53 Posted : 8/25/2007 2:08:00 PM
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[quote:a8a1328df0="zhah"] p.s. hey Xenonsion, that is a truly whacked video/icon you got for yourself...I have difficulties stopping watching it. did you get that off youtube? pm me the link please, as I've got to know what those twerps are doing/saying. Wink[/quote:a8a1328df0] search youtube for "crazy frog brothers" it's quite funny, lol

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#54 Posted : 8/26/2007 12:17:50 AM
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just pulled my toluene from the bark solution. letting it evaporate at room temp now, should get some pics soon when and if anything emerges.

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#55 Posted : 8/26/2007 1:26:29 AM

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Isn't yuremamine destroyed by heat as well as high pH? That rules out it's coming from an A/B. I've been saying since that first horrid experience of mine that the red is a tryptamine. Are there any trip reports out there on the effects of yuremamine? Is 20mg freebased supposed to feel similar to DMT, only better (or worse)?
 
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#56 Posted : 8/26/2007 10:28:01 AM
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[quote:776bcc63e3="Noman"]Isn't yuremamine destroyed by heat as well as high pH?[/quote:776bcc63e3] I'm pretty sure that's correct, but don't nail me on it. [quote:776bcc63e3="Noman"]Are there any trip reports out there on the effects of yuremamine?[/quote:776bcc63e3] well, there aren't any teks out there for isolating yuremamine, are there? this is the crux of the problem. I don't think there's anybody out there except the authors of the article who know that they've extracted yuremamine (which is why we shouldn't be calling the "red jungle spice" yuremamine). Callaway et al. isolated it using high-pressure liquid chomotography, liquid-chromotography-mass spectrometry, and nmr spectroscopy. These aren't exactly the methods for isolating a macroscopic quantity in your basement to load a bowl with, are they? Who can write a trip report for yuremamine, when it's currently not isolable outside the lab? -z p.s. Hey Noman! Long time no hear! We had talked about another collaboration...got anything for me to proofread?
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#57 Posted : 8/26/2007 8:25:31 PM
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Question... Should any lye be added to the base solution before pulling with the toluene? I've pulled about 400-450ml of solvent and evap'd it down, but there doesn't seem to hardly any yield. There is some, but not much.

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#58 Posted : 8/28/2007 5:06:01 AM
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here's an interesting thread from Edot: http://www.entheogen.com...p?t=11191&page=5
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#59 Posted : 8/28/2007 5:32:30 AM
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Thanks for that link, entheogenist, but it's [b:ab0269f01f][i:ab0269f01f]sooooo[/i:ab0269f01f][/b:ab0269f01f] frustrating reading over and over again in all these threads on all these forums how everybody talks about the red jungle spice [i:ab0269f01f]being[/i:ab0269f01f] yuremamine, as if were [i:ab0269f01f]known fact[/i:ab0269f01f] that it's yuremamine...this Lemmiwinks dude even goes so far as to conclude that yuremamine is not responsible for mhrb's alleged oral activity after having dosed himself orally w/ the red jungle spice and not feeling much! Why doesn't he conclude that the red jungle spice is possibly not yuremamine Wut? Stop Rolling eyes [i:ab0269f01f]Nobody[/i:ab0269f01f] frickin' [i:ab0269f01f]knows[/i:ab0269f01f] if the red jungle spice [i:ab0269f01f]is[/i:ab0269f01f] yuremamine Stop That is, unless somebody's done TLC and MS and I didn't hear about it...
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#60 Posted : 8/28/2007 12:32:11 PM
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Zhah, let me ask you this: Do we KNOW that the white stuff is DMT?
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