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Nice plants Seldom !
Yeah it can be hard to be certain at that stage, growing conditions play a large role in the way a plant looks. I start mine in full sun so mine have a different growth habit than a plant in shade/part shade would have.
Perhaps I was a bit hasty with my earlier comment.
Narrow acuminata phyllodes just look like petioles (phyllodes are modified petioles) at that stage too, so maybe they are the real deal.
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Might I ask from what supplier you got those Acuminata seedlings, changalvia? I haven't found any such suppliers or mortar & brick shops. I don't have a simplex yet, but I may buy a seedling from: http://www.botanicalspirit.com/live-plantsUnfortunately they don't have A.Acuminata.
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It's a personal friend dude.. the supplier is in the supplier section (where he got it from) I grew them from seed Those Floribundas look so cool  well done here's the other "acuminata" changalvia attached the following image(s):  acacia 2 - 20130317 - maximus contentness.jpg (1,537kb) downloaded 287 time(s).With every great plan comes the pleasure of patience. Take a rest, and grab a suckle off the teat of life!
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^ that looks more like my acuminatas. Long live the unwoke.
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yep  OMG I love trying to figure out botanical names. Can anybody shed some input: Anybody remember general geometry at school? ACUminata - ACUte angles between the blades OBTUSifolia - OBTUSe angles between the blades Acute angles are sharper and less than 90 degrees Obtuse angles are wider and more than 90 degrees So, if Jamie is correct in identifying the first seedling as being Obtusifolia, you can see the leaves are angled at either 90 degrees or wider, and the Acuminata has leaves angled at 90 degrees or less. Pretty cool... But if jamie's wrong my whole theory conks out  hahaha With every great plan comes the pleasure of patience. Take a rest, and grab a suckle off the teat of life!
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Definitely, the second pic in your original post and the last one in post #23 looks like A. Acuminata. The other it's not Acuminata... not sure about what it is, I'll take a look. Being positive, you got two varieties for the price of one "The Menu is Not The Meal." - Alan Watts
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changalvia wrote:yep OMG I love trying to figure out botanical names. Can anybody shed some input: Anybody remember general geometry at school? ACUminata - ACUte angles between the blades OBTUSifolia - OBTUSe angles between the blades Acute angles are sharper and less than 90 degrees Obtuse angles are wider and more than 90 degrees So, if Jamie is correct in identifying the first seedling as being Obtusifolia, you can see the leaves are angled at either 90 degrees or wider, and the Acuminata has leaves angled at 90 degrees or less. Pretty cool... But if jamie's wrong my whole theory conks out hahaha i believe the name acuminata comes from the word acuminate- which means tapering gradually to a sharp point. This would be refferring to the way the mature phyllodes have an "acuminate" tip- the point gradually forms and then curls inward. The juvenile phyllodes do not do this. Juvenile phyllodes are very similar with a lot of acacias and start out as pinnae.. The name obtusifolia would apply to the mature phyllodes as well rather than the juveniles
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^..acacian's on the money..
acuminate (in botany) = tapering to a fine point (mature phyllode)
seeds are widely and easily obtainable from ordinary (non-entheo) aus seed suppliers..
[obtus(e)]folia means blunt tipped (phyllode)
most acacias look the same when they have their juvenile (bi-pinnate) leaves..
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Here's a question I've been looking for an answer to for a while but haven't been able to puzzle it out by myself. I got two packets of seeds from a supplier: One labeled "Acacia Acuminata" and the other "Acacia Acuminate". I'm just curious about the difference between the two. I can't find info "Acacia Acuminate" anywhere other than on that supplier's site so I've started to wonder if it's an alternate name for something else.. Here's the info from the site where I got the seeds. Quote:
Acacia Acuminata - Narrow Leaf Inland Jam Wattle
A native to WA, an evergreen tree, it grows to a height of 12 with a spread of about 4 m. The stem is stately and stiff, with smooth grey bark; the phyllodes are bright green, very thin, almost terete; the flowers are bright yellow rods, 3 cm long, appearing from winter to spring. The timber of this tree is recommended for turning as it has a most beautiful grain and retains the aroma of raspberry jam for some time after cutting. t prefers light, well-drained soils in an open, sunny position on western-facing slopes and is drought and frost resistant.
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Acacia Acuminate - Raspberry Jam Wattle
This upright and fast-growing Wattle grows to about 3 m high by 2 m wide. Like many others, this Wattle has phyllodes instead of leaves to help control water loss in hot, dry weather. The phyllodes are 7 β 25 cm long; narrow, thin, pointed and bright green. Its golden-yellow flowers are rodβshaped and about 2.5 cm long, being produced near the ends of the branches. After flowering, narrow and flat or convex seed pods are produced. It prefers full sun and is tolerant of limestone soils. Its heavy and durable timber has been widely used as farm fence posts, as well as in making various Aboriginal weapons. When freshly cut, the fragrance of its wood is like that of raspberry jam.
I have both growing right now.. still too young to see a difference. Tough, the Acuminata seeds are smaller than those of the Acuminate. Also the Acuminate seeds were easier for me to germinate and keep alive than the Acuminata.
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the narrow leaf acuminata I think would be the more common Acacia acuminata subs. burkitti which is also found in south australia and the more arid desert environment of NSW.. as well as WA. the second would be the broad leaf variety which is only found in WA .. nen? http://www.florabank.org...tml/Acacia_acuminata.htm
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mithrandiir
I think that is a common faux par perpetuated by people with a limited working knowledge of Acacia taxonomy/nomenclature.
As far as I know they are all acuminata species and sub species.
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SKA wrote:Might I ask from what supplier you got those Acuminata seedlings, changalvia? I haven't found any such suppliers or mortar & brick shops. I don't have a simplex yet, but I may buy a seedling from: http://www.botanicalspirit.com/live-plantsUnfortunately they don't have A.Acuminata. check out world seed supply in the plant and seed section. Be sure to get the narrow leaf variety. + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- DMT Nexus Research ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- + ---- +
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Hieronymous & Acacian, I think you're right about one of mine being Burkittii. I've been reading up on the two sub-species and that sounds about right. Right now I'm thinking the one that was sold as "A. Acuminate" is Burkittii after finding this post by Nen (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=401348#post40134 I germinated a few more of the A. Acuminata seeds this week, though it sounds like Burkittii may end up being the better fit for me.
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Hi! heres a quick update / timeline He's nearly doubled in height in 45 days ! the black and whitish photo compared with the last full view photo (slightly birds eye viewed) shows it although you cant really compare heights like that. I cant wait for him to flower! Also note the bark starting to form, and the branching out beginning to take place You can tell when hes happy his phyllodes go completely vertical in dry and hot conditions. Sadly the mystery acacia from the first post passed away  2 more Acuminata seedlings pushing up now, so happy days! changalvia attached the following image(s): 05.jpg (750kb) downloaded 165 time(s). 06.jpg (1,219kb) downloaded 169 time(s). 07.jpg (475kb) downloaded 165 time(s). 08.jpg (1,100kb) downloaded 167 time(s). 09.jpg (1,457kb) downloaded 168 time(s). 10.jpg (1,403kb) downloaded 162 time(s). 11.jpg (911kb) downloaded 165 time(s). 12.jpg (1,001kb) downloaded 163 time(s).With every great plan comes the pleasure of patience. Take a rest, and grab a suckle off the teat of life!
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Wow those are some beautiful plants you got growing there! Check out my acuminata's  The Unknowing attached the following image(s): SAM_5098.JPG (3,020kb) downloaded 154 time(s). SAM_5100.JPG (3,084kb) downloaded 154 time(s). SAM_5099.JPG (2,996kb) downloaded 153 time(s). SAM_5097.JPG (3,084kb) downloaded 155 time(s).The Universe is Breathing
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Crack a knuckle on a fist bump yo! I love it when they're in tha bi-pinnate stage, reminds me of gecko feet! Feel free to post updates here I'l probably update this when I get a flower Ta  With every great plan comes the pleasure of patience. Take a rest, and grab a suckle off the teat of life!
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==ACUMINATA UPDATE== The Unknowing attached the following image(s): SAM_5111.JPG (3,070kb) downloaded 94 time(s). SAM_5112.JPG (2,969kb) downloaded 93 time(s). SAM_5113.JPG (2,993kb) downloaded 93 time(s). SAM_5115.JPG (2,981kb) downloaded 93 time(s). SAM_5116.JPG (2,994kb) downloaded 91 time(s).The Universe is Breathing
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^..the above look very healthy OneEye Ascension and changalvia....truly happy plants..! look forward to seeing how vigorous you can get them.. this is truly a joyous thread!
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What have you got those babies growing in, OneEyeAscension? Mine are a bit older, but don't look nearly so fat and happy. Of course, it has been winter for what seems like an eternity.... Be an adult only when necessary.
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Mr.Peabody wrote:What have you got those babies growing in, OneEyeAscension?
Mine are a bit older, but don't look nearly so fat and happy. Of course, it has been winter for what seems like an eternity.... Just in ordinary garden soil. I spoil them by moving them to two locations on my property during the day so they get the most amount of sunlight possible. The Universe is Breathing
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