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Philosopher
#1 Posted : 3/11/2013 7:39:46 PM

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Let me start this off by saying that each spiritual being has the innate right to decide who or what they believe in. I am not trying to influence anyone's beliefs, just showing my perspective on the topic.

I was sitting at a table, narcotics anonymous, and the topic for the day was step 2. Which has much to do with a higher power, or something greater than oneself. As everyone went around saying they believe Jesus saved them from the strongholds of addiction, I couldn't figure it out. I do believe them, however, that their faith in their higher power has in fact helped them to stay clean. But I can't figure out what to say. I don't really think about "god" much. I ponder at the omnipotent power of physical reality, how the micro and macro behave according to physical laws that continue an ongoing equilibrium. To me, god is the smallest piece, and the largest piece. The first great miracle was, something. Something came to exist, from presumably nothing. Wether we speak of the Big Bang, the infinitely dense piece of matter smaller than an atom expanded rapidly. If we speak of consciousness, the beginning of intelligence, to its most advanced form. The moment one had the ability to ponder its own existence.

To me god is the break. The shift, or the impossible change. Like a man in addiction being stuck in a delusional thought loop. I must use to feel better. I must find money to buy to use to feel normal. If I want to be happy I must use. This is a powerful loop, but the miracle is the ability for the human mind the gain lucidity of such forces. To go from mindless repetitive machines, to form realization. It seems obvious to us that you don't need drugs to be happy, but to those in addiction you know what I mean by this.

God is powerful enough to facilitate the insight. The eureka. The enlightenment! From nothing becomes something, is a miracle. The change from the infinite 0 to the finite 1. Without 1, there is no 2. Without 1 there is nothing. With 1 the possibilities become INFINITE.

So it was my turn to speak. Right before I was going to take the easy route and say god takes care of me, I trust him so I can heal. I glance at the sneaker the man next to me is wearing. Boom. Insight. I went from the everyday grind to the infinitely possible. I note what a miracle it is that the cosmic stardust allows the formation of sustainable compounds. How mans insight on affecting his surroundings has shaped our earth. The sneaker comes in to play here. I see the intricacies of the woven thread attached to the rubber soul of the shoe. I see the innumerable stitches holding the things with holes that hold the laces in place. Without the first, 1 , we are nothing. But this infinitely detailed reality, and the ability for enlightenment is gods ultimate gift. This shoes only purpose is to create a soft landing and comfort for a mans foot. It does this job impeccably. The design and ergonomic shape held by laces at the correct placements to allow for customizable pressure is astounding. What man has done with these atoms is proof of the infinite.
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#2 Posted : 3/11/2013 8:58:37 PM

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Philosopher wrote:
Let me start this off by saying that each spiritual being has the innate right to decide who or what they believe in. I am not trying to influence anyone's beliefs, just showing my perspective on the topic.

I was sitting at a table, narcotics anonymous, and the topic for the day was step 2. Which has much to do with a higher power, or something greater than oneself. As everyone went around saying they believe Jesus saved them from the strongholds of addiction, I couldn't figure it out. I do believe them, however, that their faith in their higher power has in fact helped them to stay clean. But I can't figure out what to say. I don't really think about "god" much.

I like your questioning this.

God is just a word.
It is likely one of the least well defined words ever.

Even if there is something valid behind one of the definitions of the word, there isn't behind them all, that would be meaningless. So while each person might have a right to believe whatever they want (I don't actually believe that myself) someone is going to be wrong, maybe lots of people.

My question is this, do you have to know what God is to love God?
 
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#3 Posted : 3/11/2013 9:21:40 PM

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I think you need some type of general description of god in order to love him. Since I really have no clue sometimes, I think when someone loves god, it's their way of saying I love life.
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#4 Posted : 3/11/2013 9:59:46 PM

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Philosopher wrote:
I think you need some type of general description of god in order to love him. Since I really have no clue sometimes, I think when someone loves god, it's their way of saying I love life.

makes sense to me
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#5 Posted : 3/12/2013 12:43:10 AM

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#6 Posted : 3/12/2013 6:57:32 AM

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I feel like 'God' is a construct in whatever one comes to construct their own spiritual machinery. An awful lot of those that use the term are happy to exist in someone else's spiritual machinery without much question. Then there's varying degrees of those who stray...
I think God in this regard HAS to be a personal palimpsest. You're entire experience of consciousness in all its glories and downfalls must shape your version of what is responsible for it, surely. No one was ever comforted by pretending to assimilate someone else's experience.. From what i can tell that tends to be a highly uncomfortable or pathological disposition. By the time you die it will probably be a whole different ballgame than when you're in your 20's. Everything you've seen and done is all you have to try to contextualize the reality that you saw and did all those things. What causes that to be possible to me is where the pondering of God should be aimed..I could be wrong, but i have a hard time discussing this type of thing without nailing down exactly what's being asked
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The infinite array of perceptual awareness that is Life, in al its grandiose of display, from the smallest atom to an entire galaxy. Always been on the run, always will be. Places to go, people to see. The train with no conductor.
 
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#8 Posted : 3/12/2013 11:58:01 AM

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Philosopher wrote:

I was sitting at a table, narcotics anonymous,


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#9 Posted : 3/12/2013 4:01:31 PM

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My God... what is God? Every time I think I know I realise I don't. Surprised
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#10 Posted : 3/12/2013 4:42:21 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

I kind of dig this view, that god is nature.
 
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#11 Posted : 3/12/2013 6:57:46 PM

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What is God?

Yes. Exactly.

The answer is the question. The infinite expanding nature of all things. Both the abyss and the one staring into it. The dissolution of barriers that allows the edges of everything to blend together like some dripping palette of colors.

What is God? The energy that fuels the questioning mind.

It's funny, because when we ask about what God is we never arrive at an answer. How could an eye witness itself? How does sugar know how sweet it is?
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#12 Posted : 3/12/2013 7:20:15 PM

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AlbertKLloyd wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

I kind of dig this view, that god is nature.



But, if god is everything, god should also be nothing, since there would be nothing left "without" god. It would cancel each other out. Cat dead AND alive at the same time..

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#13 Posted : 3/12/2013 7:23:30 PM

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DeMenTed wrote:
God is the boss of hyperspace' little brother


The big boss? Razz

God is the moment you are aware.
 
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#14 Posted : 3/12/2013 7:43:08 PM

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Everything in my mind tells me there is no reason or need for God. Many, many, experiences tell me God is everything and all.

I feel Ive wasted too much energy and time trying to decide or understand the what and if's.
In the end, on my last breath...what does any of it matter?

Live life, be joyful, love.
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#15 Posted : 3/12/2013 8:51:25 PM

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The Neural wrote:
AlbertKLloyd wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

I kind of dig this view, that god is nature.



But, if god is everything, god should also be nothing, since there would be nothing left "without" god. It would cancel each other out. Cat dead AND alive at the same time..

Not cancel, sustain.
Kala and Kali, Yin and Yang, taiji and wuji.

Even if you discard the idea of god entirely this is something one must consider; that manifest properties can only stem from that without property.
 
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If there is such a thing as God as in the ultimate being, the Source, the Alpha and the Omega it would exist in the Existence, correct? Wouldn't that imply that the entire Existence as well would in essence be God?

And even if there isn't a God, the fact remains that we are living in an ongoing miracle. My God (no pun intended), the thrill to exist! I love you all fellow travelers, Eternity is well spent with you.
If the only prayer you ever say in your entire life is thank you, it will be enough.
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#17 Posted : 3/12/2013 10:13:25 PM

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god?

its simply dog spelled backwards Twisted Evil

olympus mon wrote:
Many, many, experiences tell me God is everything and all.



same... and countless terms could be used here in place of 'god' and say essentially the same thing



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#18 Posted : 3/12/2013 10:14:48 PM
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universecannon wrote:
god?

its simply dog spelled backwards Twisted Evil

You ass! I just came here to say that. Mad
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#19 Posted : 3/12/2013 10:24:34 PM

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universecannon wrote:
god?

its simply dog spelled backwards Twisted Evil

olympus mon wrote:
Many, many, experiences tell me God is everything and all.



same... and countless terms could be used here in place of 'god' and say essentially the same thing

Such as? Some say "the universe" or "the creator" this or that but I dont know about countless terms that would also pertain.
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#20 Posted : 3/12/2013 10:28:14 PM

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Miksiton wrote:


And even if there isn't a God, the fact remains that we are living in an ongoing miracle. My God (no pun intended), the thrill to exist! I love you all fellow travelers, Eternity is well spent with you.

Love this. Exactly...for me the incredibleness of a purely natural reality, one with no magical entity is more amazing than any God or all powerful being.
Well said mate.

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