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In the 2012 report of the International Narcotics Control Board, you can find the following excerpt. Future will tell whether consequences are following or not. I'm quoting the relevant sections (highlights are mine), and leaving attached the full report since I don't think it's available yet in the Nexus. (p46-47) Quote: 6. Plant materials not under international control containing psychoactive substances
328. The utilization of plant-based preparations that are not under international control and which contain natural psychoactive ingredients is often part of traditional indigenous rituals, traditional medicine and religious ceremonies. Examples of the plants or parts of plants from which such preparations are concocted include khat (Catha edulis) from East Africa and the Arabian peninsula; ayahuasca, a preparation made from plants indigenous to the Amazon basin of South America, most importantly a jungle vine (Banisteriopsis capii) and another tryptamine-rich plant (Psychotria Viridis), containing a number of psychoactive alkaloids, including DMT; the peyote cactus (Lophophora williamsii), containing mescaline; magic mushrooms (Psilocybe), which contain psilocybine and psilocine; Ephedra, containing ephedrine; “kratom” (Mitragyna speciosa), a plant indigenous to South-East Asia containing mitragynine; Salvia divinorum, a plant originating in Mexico that contains the hallucinogen salvinorin A; and iboga (Tabernanthe iboga), native to western Central Africa, containing the hallucinogen ibogaine.
329. The Board pointed out some of the problems related to the use of those plant materials outside their original socioeconomic context in its annual report for 2010 (paras. 284-287). Since then, increasing interest in the use of such plant materials for recreational purposes has been noted, possibly encouraged by a lack of clarity with regard to the control status of the plants at the national or the international level. At present, no plants, including the ones containing psychoactive ingredients, are controlled under the 1971 Convention, although the active ingredients they contain are sometimes subject to international control. For example, cathine and DMT are psychotropic substances included in Schedule I of the 1971 Convention, while the plants and plant-based preparations that contain them, namely khat and ayahuasca, respectively, are not subject to any restrictions or control measures. This situation is seemingly exploited by drug trafficking networks and online retailers, resulting in increased trade, use and abuse of these plant materials in many countries.
330. The easy availability of those plant materials through the Internet is evidenced in the 2011 EMCDDA survey on the online availability of new psychoactive substances in the European Union. According to that survey, the most commonly sold new psychoactive substances based on natural products in Europe include “kratom”, Salvia divinorum, ayahuasca and hallucinogenic mushrooms.
331. Furthermore, the Board notes the increasing popularity of practices that purportedly have spiritual connotations, such as “spiritual tourism”, under the cover of which the plant-based psychoactive materials are consumed. Several centres around the world offer “initiatory journeys” with the presence and assistance of a shaman. Some online travel agencies offer “initiatory journeys” “supervised” by shamans, although such events are usually totally outside the sociocultural context that they claim to represent. Shamanic practices during such initiatory journeys, such as trance, ecstasies, hallucination and divination, are reached mainly through the ingestion of preparations made out of plant materials containing the psychoactive substances mentioned above.
332. The Board notes with concern that the use of those substances has been associated with various serious health risks (both physical and psychological) and even with death. The Board therefore wishes to draw the attention of Governments to the fact that the use of such plant materials for whatever purpose could be unsafe practice.
333. In view of the health risks associated with those materials, a growing number of Governments have placed such material or preparations under national control, or are considering doing so, and are taking other measures to prevent negative health consequences of such use. For example, in 2009 Salvia divinorum emerged in Canada as a substance of concern; in 2010, an estimated 1.6 per cent of Canadians aged 15 years and over had used the substance in their lifetime and 0.3 per cent reported having used it in the past year. Although Salvia divinorum is not currently scheduled under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, Health Canada has proposed to include it as a controlled substance under that Act. In the United States, the substance has been placed on the Drug Enforcement Administration’s “Drugs and Chemicals of Concern” list. In addition, several states in the United States have banned the substance.
334. The Board reiterates its recommendation to the Governments of countries where the misuse and trafficking of such plant materials may occur to remain vigilant and recommends that appropriate action be taken at the national level where the situation so requires.
"The Menu is Not The Meal." - Alan Watts
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serious health risks ??????? WTF, what ever happened to believing in science? This is what happens when people look at numbers rather than undertand the contexts. Someone dies after taking an entheogen and it's the entheogen's fault, of course, not the circumstance or perhaps even the fact that the prohibition caused a bad situation leading to death... PROHIBiTIon CAUSES SERIOUS HEALTH RiSKS Buon viso a cattivo gioco! --- The Open Hyperspace Traveler Handbook - A handbook for the safe and responsible use of entheogens. --- mushroom-grow-help ::: energy conserving caapi extraction
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Enoon wrote:PROHIBiTIon CAUSES SERIOUS HEALTH RiSKS Indeed. But some interests out there are eager to have any data whatsoever to claim against entheogens. Most legal psychoactives are infinitely more toxic, but they feed billionaire industries - and above all, they help grease the cogs, while entheogens make you realize the whole machine is a lot of bull. It can be infuriating but it's not surprising. Maybe being optimistic means hoping for a legal medical use in certain circumstances, but no more. "The Menu is Not The Meal." - Alan Watts
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Let me translate that for you328 - A bunch of weirdos somewhere apparantly use Drugs for "religious puposes" LOL 329 - They should stay where they currently are though!!! If these weird tribes want to get high...whatever - but here it should be ILLEGAL! 330: WTF, you can order some of them drugs online, can you imagine! 331: Crazy Drug addicts make the public believe they also take these plants for "spiritual purposes" but we all know, they just wanna get high! 332: These drugs are CRAZY DANGEROUS folks...!!! Don't take them under any circumstances! 333: Get this hippies: More and more governments are taking action by banning these godaweful fruits of satan! Why? Take Salvia Divinorum as an example: A minority of a small segment of the society has experienced this drug already! 334: Therefore: BAN THEM ALL!
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Dear all, The 2012 INCB report came out in which the International Narcotics Control Board continues with the coarse they set in their 2010 report (more info on the 2010 report: http://news.iceers.org/2...on-ethnobotanicals-incb)They present the growing interest in psychoactive ethnobotanicals such as Iboga and Ayahuasca as problematic, abusive and for recreational purposes.(read page 46-47) Safety is something we take very serious at the ICEERS foundation, and we have been looking into the safety of Ayahuasca and Iboga, coming to the conclusion that the risks are very limited in responsible settings. Here is some info that might interest you: http://news.iceers.org/2...e-effects-of-ayahuasca/
http://news.iceers.org/2...fic-research-ayahuasca/
In 2010 we had interaction with the INCB for a law suit in Chile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW44etlZ9Sg&list=UUNd8JFyL8D5QaLc1zpvNuUA&index= we were involved in. Here you can follow the process: http://news.iceers.org/2...n-ethnobotanicals-incb/
We compiled a scientific literature document on Ayahuasca, which shows risks are limited: http://www.iceers.org/do...erature_compilation.pdf
In the past months legal issues related to importation of ayahuasca have extended to countries like Switzerland, Germany and Belgium (until then it was mostly Spain that intercepted ayahuasca)... Unfortunately the future of the legality of these plants doesn't look too bright.
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This is the same institution that raised hell over USA's (they achieved nothing since US doesn't care for UN as already shown in the past ) and Uruguay's (not more talk about that after INCB president announced he will visit Uruguay) cannabis regulation. Pages 46 and 82 for Uruguay and 21 and 41 tell us about how wrong this actions are. I actually understand their concern. UN will loose all power if some of key world player will start "disobeying" the rules. A critique of INCB in Huffington Post - click. Got GVG ? Mhm. Got DMT ? Pandora wrote:Nexus enjoys cutting edge and ongoing superior programming skills of the owner of this site (The Traveler), including recent switching to the .me domain name. I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block Simon Jester wrote:"WTF n00b, buy the $100 vapor pipe or GTFO" Ignorance of the law does not protect you from prosecution
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Do I read that right ICEERS: More and more countries have started to intercept the banisteriopsis caapi vine ?! This is total insanity. I feel that this could be the tipping point - enough is enough. Let's not forget that preventing a ban is probably 100000000x times easier than making a plant legal again.
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I dont understand why these lies are fed to everyone. These substances are completely safe in the right settings, science has proven this. For Christ's sakes its just plants people! Its not like we are ingesting a bunch of man made chemicals like most of the people in this world, such as all the people addicted to pills and stuff. These plants are here for a reason... Also, the Caapi vine is starting to be watched for now in other countries? I thought harmala alks are completely legal everywhere except for France and Australia? Everything published by Gone-and-Back are the mad rantings and ravings of a mind who yearns to be free and thinks he knows what he is talking about. However, these are just delusions made to feel that freedom, because that freedom will never come. Any experiments done are purely figments of the imagination, and are falsified to the highest degree. Nothing should be taken seriously from a crazy mans mind.
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^harmaline is illegal in canada..though you can buy rue at any persian market and head shops downtown here sell both rue and caapi..and I never had a problem ordering. It is best if peple start to grow anyway..that way this stuff is all still out there..and work on exploring as many new local sources as possible..grow grasses and mushrooms and cacti, passiflora..any tropical species you can..desmanthus..mimosa.. These are plants we are talking about..the best way to beat them is to overgrow them. As long as you have something people can try to take away, the WILL try to take it away. They cant take away weedy grasses and plants that thrive in your back yard. Long live the unwoke.
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This really is a oversimplification of the solution jamie. While it surely is a good course of action, there are still those in the city or cold climates who are left out. Those who do not have a plot of land. Also, some plants can hardly be grown at a good rate like caapi. I know you like rue more and you do have space to grow so it doesn't concern you. But that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. These plants have to stay legal, period.
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obliguhl wrote:This really is a oversimplification of the solution jamie. While it surely is a good course of action, there are still those in the city or cold climates who are left out. Those who do not have a plot of land. Also, some plants can hardly be grown at a good rate like caapi.
I know you like rue more and you do have space to grow so it doesn't concern you. But that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. These plants have to stay legal, period. Exactly, I for one am one of these people. I do not live in an area where growing these plants would be possible, due to lack of land and colder climates during the winter (would not be able to bring plants like that inside, due to the other people living here...). Eventually I plan on moving out, and building a greenhouse to get my own garden started. However, what happens if people like me can not do so before the time runs out to be able to easily get seeds without going through obscure sources? Everything published by Gone-and-Back are the mad rantings and ravings of a mind who yearns to be free and thinks he knows what he is talking about. However, these are just delusions made to feel that freedom, because that freedom will never come. Any experiments done are purely figments of the imagination, and are falsified to the highest degree. Nothing should be taken seriously from a crazy mans mind.
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its best to grow your own AND fight this sort of legislation/fight for legalization as hard as we can Shaolin wrote:This is the same institution that raised hell over USA's (they achieved nothing since US doesn't care for UN as already shown in the past ) and Uruguay's (not more talk about that after INCB president announced he will visit Uruguay) cannabis regulation. Pages 46 and 82 for Uruguay and 21 and 41 tell us about how wrong this actions are. I actually understand their concern. UN will loose all power if some of key world player will start "disobeying" the rules. A critique of INCB in Huffington Post - click. some of the stuff they list is just good article
<Ringworm>hehehe, it's all fun and games till someone loses an "I"
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..part of the concept of the acacia thread/research was to find enough species as to make prohibition impractical.. a single species like peyote or salvia d. is easy to control..but 40-60 species (and growing) of acacia? almost impossible for ordinary authorities to follow..
in terms of easy to grow, though, the right Phalaris strains would solve a lot of people's supply issues.. .
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obliguhl wrote:This really is a oversimplification of the solution jamie. While it surely is a good course of action, there are still those in the city or cold climates who are left out. Those who do not have a plot of land. Also, some plants can hardly be grown at a good rate like caapi.
I know you like rue more and you do have space to grow so it doesn't concern you. But that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. These plants have to stay legal, period. Wouldnt you rather have other people in your country growing DMT plants and other entheogens so that in the case that these things can no longer be imported there is still people cultivating them in your country? This way at least cuttings can go around. Anyone can grow a grass clone in a window cill. The other option is noone bothers to grow plants or explore local species and then if importation is stopped you have nothing to build upon. Of course legalization is the best route but I mean..okay so what are you doing? Are you out there doing something openly to stop the scheduling of these plants? Most people are not so the best route is to grow anything and everything you can and find local sources. Why would you assume it does not concern me? Becasue I think advocating empowerment though sustainability in w/e way possible is the best way to make erradication of these plants from our culture impossible? If you have a window you can grow something..some grass, some alba, a cacti..something. Not doing that is not going to bring us closer to full legalization of these plants. "However, what happens if people like me can not do so before the time runs out to be able to easily get seeds without going through obscure sources?" If others in your country grow plants than seeds should remain for those who want to find them. It is not ideal but in reality I think things might get worse for a while. I dont think the whole war on drugs can hold up that much longer but they might go out kicking and screaming. Long live the unwoke.
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^^ If you think its that certain, would it be possible to get seeds now and store them in a freezer for a few years, say 5-10? They would be vacuum sealed. Everything published by Gone-and-Back are the mad rantings and ravings of a mind who yearns to be free and thinks he knows what he is talking about. However, these are just delusions made to feel that freedom, because that freedom will never come. Any experiments done are purely figments of the imagination, and are falsified to the highest degree. Nothing should be taken seriously from a crazy mans mind.
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I never said I think this is certain..I said I think they wont necessarily just stop trying yet..doesnt mean all the plants will get banned. I dunno what is going to happen I just think that the drug war is ending slowly and the organizations heavily invested in it will try to put up a fight. Maybe things will look worse for a short period of time and then everything will just clear up..I dunno really. Some seeds store fine..others loose viability. It really depends on what seeds. Long live the unwoke.
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Im thinking mainly cacti seeds. Can those be stored? Everything published by Gone-and-Back are the mad rantings and ravings of a mind who yearns to be free and thinks he knows what he is talking about. However, these are just delusions made to feel that freedom, because that freedom will never come. Any experiments done are purely figments of the imagination, and are falsified to the highest degree. Nothing should be taken seriously from a crazy mans mind.
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I think so but not entirely sure. Long live the unwoke.
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I want to look the other way and pretend these meetings for banning plants so fundamentally important to so many people will simply go away and nothing will happen, though my gut feeling tells me some serious oppressive laws similar to this will become reality sooner or later. It is governments wanting to keep people in check and working effectively for the country as an economical war machine, content with their booze and simple pleasures, rather than getting in touch with the fundamental important things of life, spirituality, and nature. It is an outrage really, all one can really do is become independent and grow these plants themselves and hopefully spread them, or simply move to a free-er country, as the mass majority of people are entranced by the mainstream machine so they will not fight back. They will still have their barbecues, family outings, and getting drunk at the bar with their friends, so what is it to them if some plants "druggies get high off of" get banned? --------------------------------------------------*Kash's LSA Extraction* * Kash's Mescaline Extraction*------------------------------------------------------ All things I say are complete and utter ramblings of nonsense. Do not consider taking anything iterated from the depths of my subconsciousness rationally and/or seriously.
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