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New here, want to figure out why my trips last so long Options
 
dreamingburrito
#1 Posted : 3/9/2013 11:38:11 PM
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Hi, obviously I'm new here, but that's not exactly what I want to talk about.

I'm certain I will get naysayers, and people who think I'm making this all up, but I swear to you; I'm not just weaving some elaborate farce here. My trips by far go well over the 15 minute time lapse. When I first started off, I had trip sitters, but they eventually got fed up with how much time they had to "dedicate" to me because my trips last at the very least, over an hour. So, now I trip alone, which I honestly wanted from the get go.

And here I am, asking whoever why my trips last from 1-3 hours? I seem to have a weird body chemistry when it comes to drugs anyways; mj seems to have absolutely no effect on me, shrooms and acid take far longer to take effect than it seems for anyone else, and dmt is the one most dramatically different in regards to it's effect on the general populace.

Speculations? Anyone else in the same boat?
 

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#2 Posted : 3/10/2013 1:04:28 AM



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are you full on breaking through for more than 15 minutes, or? Are you taking anything else with it? Can you describe a typical trip of yours to give us an idea of what sort of affects you get at different points in time?


Some people here have had 25+ minute breakthroughs with just smoked dmt, but from what i hear even for them its rare. It lasts well over 15 minutes for me to, but not the breakthrough itself. I'll often find myself still tripping and in bliss an hour later, and somehow altered for the rest of the day..but then again i usually am smoking 10x caapi changa, often on top of oral harmalas or caapi

Individual variations in how things are metabolized can be huge...so it could be a number of factors..for example maybe you have a very low amount of endogenous MAO in you or something


btw how many times have you smoked a high dose of cannabis? It took me at least 3 times for it to actually 'work', which is fairly common



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#3 Posted : 3/10/2013 1:31:47 AM
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If it was the case of having very little endogenous MAO, would it not cause even the weed and mushrooms, even the LSD, to kick in faster and have stronger more dramatic effects as well? All those things are effected by MAO.

Perhaps its possible to be lacking MAO in only certain areas of the body? If there was an abundance in the gut, yet a lack of it in the brain, would it not make sense that when its smoked, skipping the MAO in the gut, that it then sits in the brain for longer due to the possible tiny amount, or none at all, of endogenous MAO in the brain?

Regardless, very interested subject. I find it interested when people have reactions outside of the norm, I being one of them. I however am super tolerant of all these things and always have been, so I know its not from common use.

Everyone has different body chemistry, and if I were you I would cherish the fact that you can have such a lengthy experience. Does it cause the experience to be more slowed down and easier to comprehend? Or is it still all flying past at the speed of light for the whole 1-3 hours?
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#4 Posted : 3/10/2013 3:50:03 AM
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@Universecannon

Yes. The visuals remain strong throughout the entire thing, and I go into hyperspace + the sensation that my body, my entire existence, my room, and reality itself is being broken down multiple times throughout each trip.

Each time, it has just been smoked with cannabis. Apparently that makes it harsh(er), but when I tried it with oregano, it got burnt. I hate wasting any of it, it's way too special, and am nervous about vaping it for the same reasons.

My second time with dmt, I had trip sitters. Like the first time, it had already surpassed the 15 minute mark by at least 20 minutes, and my sitters were getting antsy. Their emotions began to effect me, and what started off as a nice calming trip just blasting through existence, began to go awry. So I decided to tell them they could do their own thing, and that I would head to my room. As I walked to my room(obviously had to have my eyes open) my surroundings began to... melt? I don't know how else to explain it. So, upon reaching my room, I was panicking big time, and accompanied by just the sound of my heart beating frantically. The moment I closed my door, I was overcome by the need to shut my eyes; and there I saw "it". Just this being, emitting a blue aura. For a few seconds we just remained motionless, except for the pulsating of it's aura, then it moved one of it's arms, (it had many) and suddenly my physical body began to go into a meditative stance?? I fought it at first because I was already scared, and fighting it physically hurt, but once I was in the full stance, the fear began to vanish. Then, the aura washed over me, and I remained in that stance for at least 10 minutes without struggle (the stance had me on one leg). It was peaceful, and healing. Ever since this particular trip, my experiences are much more exploratory, and less focused on just myself, as opposed to my first time, where I was basically just cruising, and not taking anything in.

I've smoked I think maybe 3 bowls? And my roommate, desperate to prove it can affect me, fed me a tablespoon of weed oil, which didn't have much affect... A friend told me that it's because I'm too obsessed with remaining in full control of my mental facilities, and that holds me back. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case, but if it is, I don't know how to change it.

Oh yeah, and like you, I remain afterglowy for quite awhile after the trip.
 
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#5 Posted : 3/10/2013 4:00:51 AM
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Mushrooms and LSD have been extremely powerful during all 3 times I've used them, they just take a long time to kick in; mushrooms taking even longer than lsd. Oh! And lsd seems to give me the weird side-effect of having short bouts of coughing fits.

Oh, I definitely cherish it. I more or less just made this post because I am extremely curious about the reasons why. Anyways, my first time with dmt, during the entire like, hour and around 40 minutes, it went by incredibly fast. I kind of jumped into dmt with an immature, self-centered mindset, although I had done my research. I didn't respect it initially, so it didn't allow me to grasp onto anything it was showing me. After that second time though, I'm not so sure if I want to say it moves slowly, but it definitely isn't being thrown at me at the speed of light, and I'm definitely taking in information now.
 
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#6 Posted : 3/10/2013 4:24:33 AM

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Hi dreamingburrito, welcome to the Nexus.


I recently had a very unexpected experience as a result of a mixture of marijuana and ~10mg DMT in a bubbler (possibly with DMT resin). My dose was not a breakthrough DMT dose and I smoke weed daily so I did not experience any major alterations of my environment. However, the afterglow was magnitudes greater than any previous afterglows I have experienced (including first breakthrough, godhead experiences, and other world-view shatterers).

I slowly smoked the bowl over ~30-45 minutes while writing, exploded into some euphoria and understanding and shadowy visuals, which I think faded quickly into the afterglow. This afterglow lasted for ~6 weeks with a large amount of time dilation. Time would seem to fade away into timeless moments, my mind's eye visuals and euphoria were more pronounced [edit: through the roof] when I was engaged in some form of expression (dancing, writing, drawing, even reading/studying). I constantly found myself meditating and dancing in strange, almost fluid and "natural" motions, or just going all out with joy. With that said, I was able to function mostly normal during the 6 weeks despite having my previous view of reality shattered throughout. Honestly, the most mind-bending 6 weeks of my entire life and I didn't even "breakthrough".

I suppose what I'm trying to communicate is that when Mary meets Dimitri, they can have a very unexpected relationship. Marijuana and DMT has given me some extremely odd (even for a DMT breakthrough) experiences in the past, butthis last one sealed the deal for me. There is some strange, powerful synergy between the two, at least my own biological setup.

Mushrooms and LSD also take quite some time to set in for me as well, if that may be relevant.

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#7 Posted : 3/10/2013 5:04:59 AM
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@VIII

That's absolutely incredible... I have to admit, I'm jealous.

I think maybe this experience might kind of be slightly... relevant to your amazing experience? This most recent winter break, I was flying back home to cali to visit my family. However, I was pretty nervous; I was flying by myself, and I just don't like being cramped in tight spaces with strangers. As the plane took off, my anxiety was just increasing ten fold, until I was overcome, once again, by the strong need to close my eyes. Mind you, I had not taken shrooms in well over 3 months, dmt in at least 2 weeks, and had never even touched lsd at this point. I was beyond "sober", if you want to call it that.

When I had my eyes shut, I was slowly drawn into some vague void with hues of pinkish orange, and blue. After just kind of floating around for a bit, another one of these beings welcomed me, but spoke to me this time. Their presence, unlike the one previously mentioned, was far more feminine? Both were comforting in their own way though. It just kept reassuring me that nothing bad was going to happen, that I have something to accomplish, and should focus on finding that, instead of holding myself down with these worst-case scenarios, and crippling self-doubt. When I opened my eyes, and looked out the window, I saw fantasy-esque landscapes forged into the clouds, and felt completely rejuvenated.

Huh, I honestly would have never guessed. Then again, I'm not the most experienced in regards to any of this, haha... I intend on that changing though, and I am hopeful that the nexus can help.

About how long for you? Shrooms usually take around 3 hours for me. Lsd is off and on. Sometimes an hour, sometimes 3 and half hours.
 
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#8 Posted : 3/10/2013 8:44:18 PM

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That is interesting. 3 1/2 hours for lsd to kick in. That sounds like a DOx chemical rather than actual LSD honestly. But that doesn't account for the other substances.
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#9 Posted : 3/10/2013 10:33:22 PM
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The lsd I get all comes from the same source; I got 12 hits about 2 months ago, and still have 8 hits.

The source is pretty reliable, and even so, every time I do trip on that very lsd, the time it takes to kick in changes with each trip.
 
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#10 Posted : 3/12/2013 10:08:45 AM

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Hello!

dreamingburrito wrote:
Hi, obviously I'm new here, but that's not exactly what I want to talk about.

And here I am, asking whoever why my trips last from 1-3 hours? I seem to have a weird body chemistry when it comes to drugs anyways; mj seems to have absolutely no effect on me, shrooms and acid take far longer to take effect than it seems for anyone else, and dmt is the one most dramatically different in regards to it's effect on the general populace.

Speculations? Anyone else in the same boat?


Maybe you have a slow metabolism rate regarding indole molecules in general? I have heard of people having the same "issue" with Alcohol (esp. native indian people) as well as with DXM. As far as I know, people generally react on a wide scale regarding psychedelics depending on dosage/set/setting. Maybe you can try out a completely new setting and see if that changes something?
I had once experienced a extreme slow startup with scletorias at the Indian Spirit Goa festival (above 2 hours after initial ingestion on almost empty stomach and total trip duration was around 18 hours on plain shrooms!), while normally shrooms start after around 30 minutes for me and also the duration is around 5-8 hours. However, the Goa festival setting is fairly different from usual settings. Maybe that's the same reason with you?
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#11 Posted : 3/16/2013 8:56:38 AM

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Wow, that's amazing for you. I don't know if any of us will be able to tell you an answer to your wonderful issue. What I would do is I would pose this very same question, quiery, through a blast off.
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