Vibes of ignorance, of people thinking of trying stuff without knowing for what reasons they should take it, if that. This is what causes problems: people just wanting to try without a clue, without knowing the power of these plants, without intention of thanking and paying back the nature, with only ´party´, and ´trippin´in their minds. These plants cannot be understood quickly, they need to be respected- not ´done´.

I don't think it's fair to say that the "real purpose of any entheogen" is about reconnecting with nature. For you it might be why you do them. For me, not always. Not even often. That however does not mean that I or the other travelers who do not intend to reconnect to nature use entheogens in a bad, irresponsible and ignorant way.

If say I use entheogens for psychological work that has nothign to do with nature, is that bad? Is that "just wanting to party"?

If so I find this point of view a bit intolerant...

I think we all know that entheogens (all of them) require a certain amount of respect and preparation / research to be handled, if we actually want to work with them. I don't think it's wrong to look at the potential dangers of these substances and choose not to try datura based on the side effects and health-risks. If someone chooses to use datura, that's fine as well, as long as that person is well aware of what he's getting into. Personally I wouldn't.

Entheogen meaning reveal the god within, we are all nature, it´s when we forget that we encounter problems. IMO, entheogens are there to remind us we are nature and all interconnected-not seperate entities.

If you are taking entheogens to ´party´, then you are missing out on the teaching element, and choosing the fickle´party´side of things. That´s fine as long as you give thanks for that, but if you take the piss, the nature will kick your ass HARD!

oBVIOUSLY taking sub doses may allow one to ´play ´on the peripheries of ego dissolving, but you CANNOT tell me that complete ego destruction is a fun or party thing, or even nice thing. By peoples reports theyve been taking powerful agents and been getting an experience they didnt like-WHAT THE HELL DID THEY EXPECT WHEN THEY DID SUCH A THING?

..Datura is not everyone's ally..and a bit too much people can end up unable to see (let alone make coherent sense) for days on end..
personally, i would class it closer to 'deliriant' than 'entheogen', though it does have it's occasional fans..

anyone i've ever met who has successfully used Datura (western or indigenous) as a tool has stressed
a) it's VERY DANGEROUS..knowing precise dosage is CRUCIAL..
b) don't ever touch the flowers
c) soak seed in water..use very small amounts of the water..NEVER directly ingest

..whether or not it's an 'entheogen' it is a few orders of magnitude more dangerous (physically and mentally) than DMT or LSD etc (indoles)..

You will find that mindset on entheogens anywhere you go. I agree with you that they shouldn't be looked at with that point of view. That's why I try to keep it sacred and only do it a few times a year.

But there isn't any "one real purpose" in my opinion. I there that it is more of your opinion than actual fact. Even though i may share the same outlook on it.

I've actually known several people who would take a good bit of LSD and go to raves and outdoor parties, and dance the night away. I used to be one.

if you're comfortable with yourself, sure ego-destruction can be fun.

Of course we can have our own opinions as to the real use of entheogens untill the sun goes down. But in the end, we are nature, and cannot live apart from it. After you remove every action and thought, all you have is you and this world you inhabit, nothing else but what comes from thinking. Entheogens have a knack of being able to remove that thinking depending on the type and amount consumed, creating effects from recreational fun and games to OMFG experiences, etc.....

Just my opinion.



Yes, i regretted posting what i did because if one has an understanding of an entheogen and has already had a few good rides, going ¨hell for leather¨ can be a pleasurable thing, especially if one knows that it´s a relatively safe substance.

Yes I used to do the same thing, same with mushrooms on occasion, I've been doing it wrong I suppose

Christian wrote: ..yeah, there probably should be some kind of safety rating scale..

Datura (scopolamine) is really, in my experience, the only visionary substance i've seen people spend years recovering from overdoses..in my 20s i'd go to raves on LSD, sure..but (after seeing what happened to a couple of teenage friends earlier in life) never something like datura..i prefer i higher chance of being able to make it home a day later with my clothes still on and personality intact..

I agree with you there. We wouldn't exist without nature and the Earth.