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3rdI
#1 Posted : 2/15/2013 8:34:49 PM

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I thought this was quite good.


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#2 Posted : 2/18/2013 12:23:54 AM
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..thank you for posting 3rdI..i've just started watching it..
 
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#3 Posted : 2/27/2013 8:55:08 PM

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i am very glad i watched this.

a couple low doses of changa really let the points sink in...

thank you so much for posting this!
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#4 Posted : 2/28/2013 3:38:52 PM

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I enoyed parts of this video, while other parts I found rather agonizing. His analysis is rather good at points, imo, but falls short of really addressing the root of the problem. He comes so close at many points, which is why I found it agonizing at times.

While his critique of colonialism is valid, it falls short of truly addressing neocolonialism, even though he makes overtures towards it. I would challenge his assertion that "having more money is good" and that bringing money to impoverished places can be good, but causes rifts when left unchecked. Capital is inherently dominating and disempowering. Imo, it is not valid to decry the effects of tourism while touting the "benefits" of accruing more capital, both are pieces of the neocolonial paradigm that lead to oppression and ruin. It is not enough to say, let's leave these places alone (aside from being antithetical to neocolonialism), nor is it practical. The only way that we can work, from our end, to "protect" the sort of remote places he discusses is to actively dismantle the colonialist/capitalist paradigm. Anything short of that will, imo, lead to ruin..of us, of them, of this planet.

Similarly, his claims about pastoralism are mostly on-point, imo, but again, fall short. It's not that these people are "special" or that they are "better-than," "greater-than," or "super" human. Rather, I would assert that there is clear evidence that the manner in which they are living is less environmentally detrimental than industrial civilization. This is not to pass value judgement on indigenous communities as people, but rather, to evaluate the acute "footprint" of those civilizations on "nature" in comparison with the "footprint" of industrial civilizations on "nature."

This is not to say that individuals within these communities do not want technological gizmos, in fact, the majority of the evidence I have seen points to the contrary. However, it is to say that the tremendously ecologically destructive processes of industrial civilization are, by and large, absent from indigenous societies for a number of reasons, some more complex than others. There are interesting questions that arise from indigenous claims regarding the acute effects of and knowledge received from ayahuasca ceremonies and the relationship of these ceremonies to understandings of the ecological environment. I would posit it's not about the people, but moreso, about the effects of the plants, when utilized in contexts that allow for the experiencing of this knowledge.

I think that utilizing these plants (and chemicals), in contexts that have relevance to the user(s), in order to catalyze certain understandings/states of consciousness, and then acting in accordance with those models, is the takeaway from these indigenous practices. That is to say, if you eat mushrooms and realize that all of nature is connected, don't sit around getting baked off your ass pontificating about it, do something about it. If you take ayahuasca and have epiphanies that plants and animals are more than the "machines" Descartes claimed them to be, don't order shipibo garb and prance around your Manhattan apartment singing icaros, do something with that newfound understanding. Imo, if we claim to receive understandings from these substances, if they truly change the way we relate to the world, that should be reflected in the full range our actions, not just our lifestyles.
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imPsimon
#5 Posted : 2/28/2013 3:44:15 PM

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This was very good! Watched it twice at work today.
This is the most encouraging talk about psychedelics that I have seen in a while (...if not ever).

It's definitely a very down to earth view on what drug tourism is doing to both the
tourists as well as the natives.
I think it's really heartbreaking when they show images of the Maria Sabina village. Absolutely horrible!

We don't need "authentic" shamans in the jungle to use these plants responsibly and safe as we can learn from old traditions and create better ones ourself.
Hopefully we can soon grow our own sustainable medicine plants in our local environment so we don't have to rely on environmentally damaging planes, boats, trucks and trains.
Who sells us these plants? Sure there are good traders out there but can we be sure of who is good and who is bad? It's not like the cartels and other crooks have passed on this money-cow.

I hope that one day we wont need a section on the DMT Nexus that is called "Sustainable Nexus" because it will
all be sustainable, eco-friendly and exploitation free.


Jeronimo is part of the team that made the 1 hour documentary CBC documentary "The Jungle Prescription" which
is also now being made in to a full lenght feature film.
(I havent seen the CBC documentary but the trailer looks incredibly promising)
http://flavors.me/ayahuasca#_
 
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#6 Posted : 2/28/2013 8:51:43 PM

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imPsimon wrote:

(I havent seen the CBC documentary but the trailer looks incredibly promising)
http://flavors.me/ayahuasca#_


I just watched the full CBC-Documentary on youtube
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