if i had caapi tea in the evening at a small dose, would it stop depression or help me wake up in the morning? also what is the dosage of caapi vine/leaf

it would certainly help with depression , however the effects of caapi would gradually diminish everyday , increasing doseages slightly everyday will help

i was microdosing rue for a week and noticed less of an effect everday , eventually by the end of the week my doseage for rue had gone upto 1 gram , then i stopped microdosing as my oral dmt activation dose of rue is 2-2.5 grams and if i would continue microdosing then rue might lose its magic when i want to do some mimohuasca/ruehuasca

What would you recommend to be a good starting dose? And what method of consumption?

firstly i would recommend you not to do harmalas everyday , it will dull its magic ,

if you're microdosing caapi a good starting dose might be 5g or more as i've not worked with caapi atall ever , this is what i get from reading other threads on microdosing ,

with syrian rue you can start with a quarter of a gram (0.25g) , have rue powder , whole seeds dont really work well

i would say microdosing on alternate days is a much better idea then everday ,

also while brewing never boil , always brew , powdered rue can simply be brewed as a tea in 10 minutes or so , while caapi can take a lot of time so brew a large batch of caapi , if you're working with caapi

just brew the rue and/or extract and brew any caapi you can. don't consume rue powder, its silly and will bring on unnecessary nausea in many people

also i haven't heard of anyone else having harmalas 'dull in affect' or build tolerance when taking them everyday. you can get used to it, but thats not the same as tolerance. I've experimented with taking them everyday, at various dosages, caapi and/or rue, for hundreds of days. And if anything, there seems to be a sort of reverse tolerance over time. But i guess everyones different.

For rue i'd take .5g or less everyday and for caapi anywhere from 5g to 50g everyday. its good to take a larger dose once a week or so in combination with the 'microdosing'. i put it in quotes because a lot of whats referred to as microdosing is actualy like a full low or medium dose of harmalas, which is fine really. I personally get much more out of it if i take an amount thats larger than a typical microdose

OP, do a search my friend. there has been many many discussions on this topic filled with good information

Dagger claims that he gets tolerance that builds fast with harmalas..only to the psychedelics effects..I think he said the MAOI effect is the same.

I never noticed anything like that..but I never took psychedelic doses on a dialy basis just microdoses.

when i get really stoned for prolongued periods (24 hours+) of time, i feel totally sober, even though i am still really high, and then when i sober up i start feeling weird again, because i am not used to the sensation of sobriety.

perhaps this is the cause for not being aware of the effects?

personally i don't feel any effects when i am MAOI'd up, so it may be too subtle for me (i just assumed that not everyone gets effects) even without doing it consistently.

^ you should get effects when you dose more. The dose for inhibition is lower than the dose for full psychedelic visionary effects. I think everyone can get there with harmalas at a certain dose..the dose just varries between people. I think that much of the psychedelic action is mediated via the NMDA sites when it comes to harmalas so maybe some people can reach inhibition with the same dose as others but still need more than them for NMDA antagonism..I dunno really but I have seen people who need way more than other people..

Started my own daily microdose regime tonight with 120mg of Mansked rue f/b. Fell asleep 10 minutes after dropping the gelcap and woke up 90 mins later not feeling that different. In my limited experience with harmalas, 100mg basically does nothing at all, 200mg is a very light 3 hour trip, 300mg is a 10-hour ordeal with extreme periods of nausea (although that might have been more down to poorly administered admixture.)

My thinking with this is that if I take this sub-threshold dose of 100mg every day, presumably after a week or two I will begin to notice some kind of anti-depressant effects from the cumulative MAO inhibition. At this low dose I'm tempted to throw in some 5-HTP and DLPA into the mix, also. Naturally, I cut out my twice daily dose of 100mg 5-HTP in the day or two before a major experience. I've also cut it out leading up to this microdose and not taking it makes the depression almost unbearable after a few days, and it's compounded by the extra depression I get in the days after major experiences. This last week has been hell. It would be nice to find a safe synergy between low dose harmalas and neurotransmitter precursors, for the sake of my sanity.

I'm disappointed to read in other threads how many say that rue is not good for severe depression and that caapi is really necessary here, since rue is half the price of caapi and contains at least twice as much harmalas. Also, I've had no joy so far extracting harmalas from caapi, although I'm still new to all this so I have a few things to try as yet. I really should post something in the extractions section about the success I've had with cold water extraction of rue - I have proved beyond doubt that boiling the seeds is totally unnecessary and might actually contribute to the difficulties many report when it comes to filtering.

"I'm disappointed to read in other threads how many say that rue is not good for severe depression and that caapi is really necessary here, "

Are you finding rue useful then? I hardly notice any difference between rue and caapi to be honest. Rue is great for depression IMO

Most people just can't get over the taste ^__^

if I am not mistaken a corporation in the USA tried to patent a caapi based extract for use treating depression.
The harmala alkaloids can act like benzos too, this might contribute to this use.

I agree the difference between rue and caapi is very subtle, at least as far as I can tell. I think perhaps that the pharmacological basis for the claims of caapi's superiority for depression relief/healing stem from its vastly greater THH content, which is believed to be responsible for the serotonin upregulation observed in chronic ayahuasca drinkers.

For non-microdoses, I've found both "Manksed" and full-spectrum extractions of rue give me plenty to think about, no different from a caapi experience in that sense. It's just that lack of THH in rue that has me concerned that maybe daily microdosing of rue harmalas won't be enough to lift the dark cloud. Time will tell.

The taste and outright toxicity of the seeds was obviously a major problem when I first started getting into all this 3 months or so ago. It's amazing how fast my work with this has come along since then (thanks to this site) - back then I would never have dreamed that by now I would be holding near-pure harmala extract in my hand that I'd made myself. It's a dream come true, it really is. So now I've overcome the hurdles presented by raw rue seeds I owe it to myself to experiment with the extract, since quite a few (including yourself) have achieved real results with it.

There really is hardly any THH in caapi from what we've seen, and there is also very small amounts of it in rue by the way. Although there is interesting stuff showing other harmalas may convert to THH after prolonged boiling.

What do you mean by "outright toxicity" of the seeds? Rue is hardly toxic. Nauseating, yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean toxic. Caapi is incredibly nauseating to. Nausea is a property of harmalas themselves, even in pure form. But along with that, other things in the plant can contribute to the nausea. Just drink the rue/caapi sludge at the bottom of a stored brew! heheh

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=32295
Doing harmalas every night makes life extraordinarily dreamy.

"The taste and outright toxicity of the seeds was obviously a major problem"

There really is no data as far as I know to suggest peganum harmalas seeds are toxic at reasonable doses. Harmalas themselves become toxic at very large doses but noone would want to eat that much.

Ah yes, I had forgotten that the boiling of ayahuasca is believed to convert harmine into harmaline into THH. I guess then that there is little difference between cold-extracted rue and cold-extracted caapi.

۩: Vaping harmalas sounds mental, dude! Don't know if I'm ready to try that myself yet, seems a bit too intense for me.





That's strange, I had read in numerous threads that rue was toxic, claiming that every year in Iran a few people die from overdosing on the tincture. Perhaps that's just an old wives' tale that gets mindlessly repeated. I guess I only believed it because I got quite ill eating seeds once - it made caapi nausea seem like a walk in the park.

Also, some people who say rue is toxic aren't clear on whether the toxic component is one or more of the alkaloids, or the plant material that gets left behind in an extraction. I certainly highly doubt any of the alkaloids are toxic - I've only tried full spectrum f/b once and it was very nice indeed.

I've been using them daily for the last 3-4 months and I can report that basically there are two stages:

* Microdosing harmala extract provides a cumulative anti-depressant effect & connection to nature, increases sensitivity to life due to MAO inhibition

* Dosing 300mg+ harmala each day gives you frickin super powers... I feel like I have made a years progress in Chi Gong in the space of a month. I can tap into deep Samadhis if I sit up all night meditating and fasting consecutively over a period of two weeks.

It got to the point where my 3rd Eye and Crown were shining a dazzling light everywhere I went (see avatar) and people had a very hard time holding eye contact with me, 99% of people could not even bear to look at me. They don't call it the POWER for nothing!


I did not remotely experience these Samadhis when I was dosing ayahuasca and going crazy with that stuff, harmala is in a league of its own. Treat it with reverence and it will kick your ass in the most pleasant manner. We tend to look on it as a mere potentiator, an activator, a switch. Actually, harmala is the entire electric circuit, DMT is just a little light bulb/multimeter you plug in to reveal the activity of the circuit

The effect seems semi-permanent, the motor neuron connections created have extended into non-harmaloid living. Life feels easy, easy as breathing. Harmalas are great for lighting up the pathways of the breath. All that you can access on DMT, I can access on harmalas alone but it takes a hell of a lot of concentrated effort and living your life as a drill sergeant: with military precision.




The crucial key to this is to dose high enough to get shaky as hell. Then meditate to the point where the shakiness disappears, and your mind is at a high gamma frequency. The annoying buzzing sound disappears when you enter a gamma state, I guess it's some kind of harmonic created by the brain's beta waves clashing with harmaloid induced gamma. With the shakiness "integrated" into your motor cortex, the brain has the potential energy to tunnel through barriers previously impossible. This is Zen.


It also helps to dance, dance non-stop. Harmala loves to dance and you're a sack of water so enjoy the damn cymatics.

Wow, amazing post embracethevoid! This is the kind of stuff I wanted to hear

This power you describe, did you find it gave you advantages in practical, everyday life: career/wealth, intellectual/cognitive ability, social status, sexual prowess, etc? You've got me thinking of the drug in that film Limitless.



By "crazy" do you mean drinking a lot of it frequently, or literally driving yourself mad with it and not getting beneficial results? I've been macrodosing aya with light every week this year and have yet to experience any real benefits. However I'm already feeling a slight difference today after just 120mg of f/b last night, with 100mg 5-HTP before bed. Will be trying this again tonight - obviously if I increase the harmala dose much more I will have to leave out the 5-HTP completely. Do you use Manksed harmalas or full spectrum? Freebase or salt?



What a wonderful description of the relationship between harmalas and DMT. I definitely find myself blind on harmalas once the jimjam wears off. No visuals and I can't tell what's going on, if anything.



OK, now you're just teasing



So when you dose 300mg+ a day, you do it all in one go? I presume splitting it into smaller doses would reduce the short-term effect (but perhaps not the cumulative benefit?) As for the brainwave stuff, I used to meditate using binaural beats for many years. I finally gave it up more than a year ago because the negative after-effects were too great, while the benefits were few or none. I am however wondering if binaural beats/isochronic tones could be beneficial for forcing/assisting the brain to resonate at a desired frequency, they are definitely useful for that.



That sounds like an effect of the daily dosing. I take a high-ish dose of harmalas in some form (aya or rue or a combination) every week, and all that compels me to do is lie down in the dark and trip, the last thing I want to do is dance, even if I could. However, with daily (micro)dosing, it's more like you're taking some medication, and most of the day you're not mired in the depths of a trip, but rather surfing on the wave of a constant state of elevation. I can't wait to get more into this, I've only taken one microdose so far and I'm already feeling the difference.

Sorry for all the questions man, but your post really got me amped

Peace

I think it is a sum total of many factors with harmala being what bestows the 'Power'. I have a lifestyle entirely dedicated to reifying the Limitless state so all things help; I'm always loaded to the hilt with superfoods, nootropics and adaptogens and I'm never out of a state of total meditation either.

Yes it gives advantages in each and every single one of those fields. Career/wealth: I was the fastest I have ever been at work, everything done lightning speed, intellectual/cognitive - it inhibits KYNA metabolites and the result is a clear lightning fast mind with profound insights flashing on screen every 5-10 minutes, social status: this is more to do with being in Samadhi but yes, harmalas open the doorway to dominance, as I said about the eye contact thing. It's not a dominance by force, you would dominate by pure presence, you do not have to do anything but be silent and let the energy work itself. When I was peaking in this state, all my forum reputation points suddenly shot up and I was blasted with PMs from a shitton of people on the most random things, I'm still answering the backlog a month later.


As for sexual prowess here is the key. The harmala superpowers can only really be induced by practicing total celibacy and semen retention (Brahmacharya). The more sexual energy you channel upwards into the crown chakra, the deeper the Samadhi gets. I got to the point where I forgot all existence and got totally absorbed into the moment, the kind of absorption you only generally see on smoked DMT. I would jump out of bed from a 6 hour lucid sleep into one 24-30hr long dance move that would finish as another 6 hour lucid sleep. A total state of Wu Wei - to act without acting, to do without doing, to think without thinking... I could sprint cycle 0-50mph without any detectable change in breath pattern; Samadhi is the 'breathless state' and I understood how so after that, to say the least.


As far as 'don't know' nature gets, this is Don't Know. No doubt that as harmala is a good vasodilator and general blood mover, you will certainly experience major increases in this field too. But that I consider a total waste as the true powers arise with retention. I am guessing these alkaloids would be godly with tantric practice. I did develop full control over erectile faculties during this phase (i.e. to go up and down at will), it's stuck with me too. A very interesting skill to cultivate! One of the key benefits of developing this is that Junior loses control entirely over yourself, so no inappropriate moments arise.


When I say crazy with ayahuasca, I mean macrodoses, heavy macrodoses, flood dose DMT. I had a thing for saturating my brain with spice as I felt that Samadhi was just around the corner, if only I upped the dose a little more... and a little more... and a little more, ad nauseum (literally nauseum, hehe). For sure the power was there in those particular states but a blind horse with strong legs is still a blind horse. I use full spectrum alkaloids as it makes zero sense for a man to leave aside the exceedingly profound effects of the other Rue alkaloids - see this thread for further info: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=15165
The alkaloids are extracted via Gibran tek for smoked/sublingual/intranasal administration; but the main dose is always ingested via tea from raw Rue seeds and Caapi.




The key to the superpowers are thus:
* A week or two of semen retention at LEAST combined with upward channeling practice [after one month, things got absolutely insane, waking ketamine hyperspace kind of thing)
* Dose high enough for entire visual field to become a single continuous tracer
* Meditating the shakiness & fear away into stillness serenity
* Constant dancing and breathwork
* Noopept & other Limitless-inducing substances
* 5+ litres water/day
* Allergy & processed food free diet; go on dieta and stay on dieta


Anyway I've cycled off but a lot of the powers have remained. Thing is when you dive into this state, it kind of makes you want to renounce all possessions, say bye to your life, order 10 tonnes of rue, brew it all into a tea and run away into the mountains to subsist on a diet of wheatgrass and rue tea for the rest of your life.


Here's a thread I wrote while I was peaking during the last experience: Instant methodology to directly control magnetism and see it with third eye (Coulomb's Law)

Why did I cycle off? Well... it got too frantic. The Noopept 40mg/day made me scatter brained, so my mind was going far too fast for my own being to keep up. I would get hyper-absorbed into spurious things and lose sight of reality, despite being entirely absorbed fully in the moment. Ego death is hard to keep up when you have negative karmas weighing you down. The higher your brainwaves go, the faster you crash into the fruits of your past evils. So I'm working on clearing ye olde karmic record and damn if I won't be back for round two, this time with 10mg Noopept a day. Suffice to say, NZT-48 is a shadow of what Harmala can unlock. They don't call it Telepathine for nut'n, I tell ya that.

Reifying.. such a great word, love it. I've never seen it used outside of computer science!

The main question I had forgotten to ask was do/did you combine the daily harmala regime with nootropics or any other enhancing drugs or plants. I personally am very wary of Noopept.. I was on it a few months ago, experimenting with doses ranging from 10-60mg a day, with only very subtle benefits at best, but definitely noticed the side-effects of short term memory loss and irritability. What worries me is that I've been off it for 2 months now but my short term memory has still been completely fucked recently, I will think to do something and completely forget it seconds later. This happens quite frequently. I'm not 100% sure that Noopept was the cause, but I have my suspicions. Also I found the withdrawal rather harsher than most people reported. I definitely developed a dependency on it.

Overall I'm tempted to start on it again, since I have now cycled off it more than the recommended 6 weeks every 3 months (it's something like that). I believe the need for cycling off has soemthing to do with it downregulating an enzyme called TrkB which has some role in the processing of tyrosine. Considering what a vitally important chemical tyrosine is in our bodies, this alarms me somewhat, too. Noopept is not a very thoroughly researched and tested chemical, and should be approached with caution.

Which adaptogens do you use with harmalas? The only ones I know of are ginseng and rhodiola rosea, neither of which I would ever consider mixing with an MAOI!



Yeah for me harmalas are a massive aphrodisiac. I can see what you're saying about the need for retention for the Sammadhi crown chakra stuff, but for me that is neither practical nor desirable. Maybe I will try to get into the super power stuff when I'm much older, but for the time being I'm a young man and I wish to make the most of my youth and virility while I still have it



Yeah it was that thread that convinced me that full spectrum was the way to go. Seems silly not to take advantage of vasicine and vasicinone, as well as the lesser known harmalas: harmalol, norharmane, etc



Damn, that would be one insane dose! Easily north of 400mg for me. I think premature purging would be unavoidable in that instance. I'm not surprised it all got too much for you - there is no way I could dance for 24 hours solid, that's insane!! You must have been so far out. It's a shame institutions aren't open-minded enough to study this paranormal stuff you've figured out. Who knows how humanity could benefit?

Will try to give that Coulomb's Law stuff a look over when I'm more straight. Physics was never my strong suit at school, I usually turned up for lessons stoned and was more interested in my own spaced out thoughts than what the teacher was writing on the blackboard