I have (like an idiot) eaten 60 seeds.. twice.
Aside from feeling like I was burning up with a fever, I had drymouth from hell, I felt restless but drowsy, slurred my words, vision was blurry, and I couldn't walk straight. It was very dysphoric. The muscarinic anticholinergics are no joke.
Forget trying to function or doing anything requiring concentration. It's just not happening.
Like was previously mentioned, if you absolutely must find out for yourself what datura is about, don't take anymore than a few seeds, less than 10.

not with datura, but with a batch of hbwr r had basically the same effects as benzyme just described, but probably more mild

Deep smelling of the flowers, or hanging some leaves in the (bed)room or put under pillow, are gentle ways to co-ax with the plant spirit. People report success doing so.

Last year I found a Datura Stramonium growing. This had never happened before. There we two of them close together. Very beatiful I found them. Left them stand were they were and a few months later I came back to collect some seeds.

The plants were killed, ofcouse. People despise them. But if you look at them, how could you not be totally informed about their nature? They have this eerie spiderwebs and bats look in the pointy tips of leaves and flowers. But also a very beatiful (and seductive) look in their make up. I found it fascinating.

Those seeds I retain. They are safely contained and I do keep possibilies open. I guess it takes a lot of maturity to handle this plant, but it is there and should be respected for that.

Bad Datura BAD!!!



(Even looks scary)

that reply just made my day

Oy look, there are worm bites on 'em leaves. Can't be that bad for you!

Hahahahaha. Scuury lookin plant ddeerr.

Datura grows rampant in my area. It's a beautiful plant, especially if you go out at just the right time of day(sunset) and see the flowers open.

I've read a lot about it. It interested me very much and I've read dozens of experiences and the history of it. However, being rather timid, have never even thought once about trying it. In my opinion, it is dangerous and not worth it. Some people have just horrible, dangerous experiences an I've only read a few where people got something out of it. It sounds terrifying, confusing, and pointless. But that's just my humble opinion.

I did read a rather interesting report where someone said they had a pleasant meditation on it and when they opened their eyes, they were holding a book. They spent the rest of the long trip reading this book but the book disappeared when they started to come off of it and they couldn't remember what was in it. I'm not encouraging anyone to do it, I just thought it was an interesting experience. I wonder what was in that book, if anything.

Also, the fact that it messes with your vision for days after dosing scares me. I wouldn't want to take anything that messes with my vision. Vision is delicate and often can't be repaired if damaged.

However, I really love the plants. They have beautiful flowers with stark green leaves and a lovely aroma. However, they also have an energy to them that seems ominous, like she's warning you.

If anything, it's to be used to extreme caution, preferably in low amounts to start with. Also, researching how the growing conditions of the plants effect potency(time of year, rainfall, exposure to sun, etc) would also be very wise. I wouldn't recommend delving into this realm, but I don't think it's all bad. Perhaps if you are the true master of your own reality you may be able to handle the insanity of it. But even then, you just can't know.. It's quite toxic in the right doses. People have definitely died.

I also think it's worth mentioning that many experience out there in the internet seem to be people who ate the seeds because "it would get them high". A lot of people eat them without knowing what they are or what they will do. This probably has an extreme affect on how irrationally they behave.

If one were to delve into this delirium, I would say it would be very wise to have multiple trip sitters. I've read too many accounts of people scaring their trip sitters off and getting hurt or having to be restrained so they don't hurt themselves. Several sober people is necessary in my opinion.

My two cents. =)

Yes,,, dont ever go over 10 seeds, I've never gone over 4 and have only used it for dream/sleep enhancment or adding to any psychedelic journey.

I live in the city and had Stramonium's growing all around in our shared backyard with one beautifully ominous looking Double-Purple Metel with white and purple flowers.

I think the rats cant help but try them, found a lot more dead rats that summer when those things were growing...

They fascinate me, almost like they have their own demented communication.. visual textures of nature and death..

Also the flowers will smell different at different times?

the problem that everyone is trying to stress is, how do you know if your in "reality" once you get started on a dose of any amount of tropanes. you could easily forgot you took any & then take more,, said to be a common thing in the trip reports.. not to demonize it I love the plant.....from a distance

Well spacewalker, have all these replies swayed you in the right direction?

Hope you're not sitting on a roof ledge somewhere smoking imaginary cigarettes while arguing with Elvis which one of you gets to fly to Oz first!?

But seriously, your thoughts?

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Let's try and avoid language like the 'right' or 'wrong' direction.
Moral absolutism doesn't accomplish anything but making us divisive.

However, I too would be interested in seeing if this thread has swayed anyone one way or another.

I love the Datura plant. It's so sinister looking, but so beautiful. It's almost like it's meant for greater things that us human beings. We have molecules like DMT and psilocybin, and those are great for us, but somewhere above all of them is atropine and the amazing things that it can do to our souls.

Point taken, but "right" could be either way for the OP, right?

I really was more curious about what spacewalkers take away was from this thread....

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Point taken, but "right" could be either way for the OP, right?

I really was more curious about what spacewalkers take away was from this thread....

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You can extract the scopolamine from the Datura seeds and put this stuff in peoples drinks and they will do anything you want supposedly. In that documentary, about Datura, people report that people dosed with this stuff are lucid enough to withdraw money from their banks and ATMs. These people don't look like they are on drugs supposedly. All the perp has to do, is ask for them to withdraw the money and they do it. They are open to suggestion. This stuff really interests me. I've read some of the Erowid trip reports and these people saw things, like demons and monsters that looked just as real as anything else. It may cause brain damage at higher doses and death. I would pass...

... Why would you want to have conversations with imaginary people, smoke phantom cigarettes, and converse with people that just end up disappearing...or seeing demons? That would cause harm, not enlightenment or progress. It actually is the best truth serum at those delirium doses if the victim is just lucid enough. They won't be lucid enough to remember not to lie...that's why it works so well. The only problem is they become insane and it is counterproductive when you're asking about something complex. If you want to find out stuff like, if your partner is cheating on you or what your PIN code is, it is perfect. I bet if this stuff was addicting and you used it all the time, it be like that drug Substance D in that movie Scanner Darkly.

It's definitely interesting to think that maybe the nature of the datura trip is reflected in the look of the plant. As another poster wrote though, if people like McKenna and Jim Morrison couldn't handle it I don't think I could.



I recently took 8 HWBR seeds orally (just chewed them down whole) on two separate occasions and have to agree with you. For me it was more of a feeling of intense schizophrenia, anxiety, and even multiple personalities rather than delirium though. The experience definitely was not positive, but I want to experiment with different dosages and have heard from many of their "supporters" that there is an intense synergy with cannabis, even to the point of them being almost symbiotic...I have yet to combine them and would like to do so for fear of my conclusions being myopic. I don't wish to derail the thread but would enjoy reading any other hwbr experiences from the users here, many of which would probably be much more experienced than I.

For those interested-

Here is Morrison on Datura (not sure exactly where this is from):
http://www.shroomery.org.../8667245/fpart/all/vc/1
He stared at me. "Sure," he said. "That's a good idea. One whiff of that shit would turn you into something out of a god damn medical encyclopaedia! Man, your head would swell up like a watermelon, you'd probably gain about a hundred pounds in two hours . . . claws, bleeding warts, then you'd notice about six huge hairy tits swelling up on your back .. ." He shook his head emphatically. "Man, I'll try just about anything; but I'd never in hell touch a pineal gland.
"Last Christmas somebody gave me a whole Jimson weed — the root must have weighed two pound; enough for a year — but I ate the whole goddamn thing in about twenty minutes."
The slightest hesitation made me want to grab him by the throat and force him to talk faster. "Right!" I said eagerly. "Jimson weed! What happened?"
"Luckily, I vomited most of it right back up," he said. "But even so, I went blind for three days. Christ I couldn't even walk! My whole body turned to wax. I was such a mess that they had to haul me back to the ranch house in a wheelbarrow . . . they said I was trying to talk, but I sounded like a raccoon."

For the McKenna fans like myself, here is Terence talking a bit about it:
http://deoxy.org/t_weeke1.htm
"But when you get to the -- well, before we talk about the psychedelics... Then there are drugs which are mental drugs which I don't consider psychedelic. My definition of psychedelic is tighter than most people's. For instance, you may know about datura. Datura is jimson weed and these ornamental plants with the large, white, bell-like flowers. Well, if you make a tea out of the leaves, root, flowers, or seed of that plant, it will turn you every which way but loose. I mean, it is a completely disorienting, freaky kind of experience, with loss of memory, confusion of sequence, delusion of reference, amnesia, projective imagining, so forth and so on. To my mind, it is not a psychedelic state. I call it a deliriant, or a confusant.

I remember -- I always usually end up telling this story. What put me off datura was, years ago when I lived in Nepal, I had this English friend, and we experimented with all kinds of drugs, and one day I was in the market buying potatoes and tomatoes, the only two things you could get in Bodina at that time. And I encountered this guy, adn we started just exchanging the news of the day, and in the course of the conversation, I became aware that he thought I was visiting him in his apartment. He was so lost in this stuff that he didn't know we were out in the street in the market. He thought I had come by his rooms. Well, I just said, that's too stoned. Nobody needs to be that twisted around. I mean, you literally do not know what is happening."

Scolopamine is a bad thing.

Scolopamine Documentary

ANYTHING is a bad thing if used with ignorance. In fact i´m getting those vibes here, because the real purpose of any entheogen is not about ´trippin´, but reconnecting with nature, the áll that is´. IMO, these plants can like most plants be of good use if used with great respect. These are not for recreation, but learning about ones place on this earth. Very deep and certainly not fun experiences, but probably potentially educational in ways unparralelled by other entheogens.

The fact that they have been and are still used by curanderos illustrates that they do have a useful purpose, however these people have taken their time to get to understand the plants, unlike most city kids trying to be ´cool´

What vibes?