So i have recently learned about Datura seeds and their psychedelic effects. From what i have been reading the side affects sound horribly unpleasant and dangerous but i would like to get some first hand accounts of Datura experiences if possible. Please include each of the following: How long did it last, Number of seeds ingested, after effects and come-down, general mood and atmosphere.

P.S. I am strongly leaning towards avoiding Datura for now. Jut trying to learn more about it.

Please lean further....Death is not fun...

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for one its NOT a psychedelic, its much more of a true "hallucinogen" a deliriant. It causes a delirious state which can kill you, you will see all sorts of things that seem very REAL to you. you may even get a glass, pour water in it and drink it, only to find theres no glass in your hand, nor was there ever any water but youve been continually sipping air, pretending to hold a cup in your hand. Its dangerous and as far as ive found theres little to no valuer to gain from the experience.

What happened to 'everything is in the dosage' attitude. Low amounts of datura seeds are synergistic as an aya/pharma admixture, killing nausea and adding to the experience. I also took few seeds to avoid motion sickness at the time I was experimenting with it. I don't see how it's dangerous either, when its positive effects start with as little as 2-5 seeds as compared to 100+ for a delirium.

indeed datura seeds can be used as enhancers and have several other functions as mentioned above when taken in non-psychedelic doses (that usually means really low). The problem with the halucinogenic doses is that the effective dose and the lethal dose are very cose together making this entheogen one of the most dangerous ones around.

Aside from that a lot of the accounts I've read (I used to own a book of reports of datura trips) end with "and then I spent three months in the mental ward. There seem to be some long lasting negative effects that can seriously mess you up. I've heard people say they cannot focus their eyes for a week after taking datura. People seem to be more confused and less able to focus mentally as well.

I personally knew a guy who had taken atropa belladonna, which is similar in its compounds, and he ended up physically in the hospital, but mentally he said he was in hell, as in the devil kept coming out of the wall and there were demons tearing at his flesh (the nurses?).

So indeed, lean further. I would certainly not play with this substance in its psychoactive dose ranges. Especially since I have not heard one single account of anything beneficial coming out of it. If you choose to look into its enhancing effects, do your research well.

I have no personal experience with Datura nor do I have any desire to.. but here is a link to Erowid's vault of undesirable (understatement) trips.. there are of course good ones, but I think the point here is.. when things go bad, they go BAD.

http://www.erowid.org/ex..._Datura_Bad_Trips.shtml

plenty of other things to explore imho...

I've been considering using microdoses to help with keeping my cactus tea down. I've read of good results from doing this especially D stramonium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04

I would check this documentary out first.

My two cents, stay away. It is poison to the body and mind.

Safe journeys!

I've never touched Datura, but a friend relayed an interesting experience to me. They were hanging out with a wandering holy man in India (they're called Sadhus, I think?). Anyway the holy man was eating Datura seeds, my friend didn't speak the same language, but he made motions indicating he wanted to eat them too. The holy man gave him only three seeds, and my friend indicated with his body language that the holy man should give him more, but he waved his hand to say, no, just three seeds...

So my friend ate them, he said maybe an hour later there was this visual "rippling" effect like a curtain had drawn back, other than that he didn't notice any effects. Although, the holy man started talking to him, and for the duration of the trip even though they weren't speaking the same language, my friend was able to understand everything the holy man was saying, talking about his life and his travels. Pretty crazy experience!

Nothing like having to restrain a good friend of yours after she's naively ingested over one hundred datura seeds. I've never taken deleriant doses of any tropane alkaloids, just extremely small doses in brews and in combination with LSA to mainly to combat nausea. I couldn't tell you what these doses even feel like, because I've never taken tropane alkaloids by themselves. I really wouldn't recommend taking enough datura to experience its deliriant effects. Tropane alkaloids are not psychedelic at these doses, they are the epitome of insanity and delirium.

I think that you guys are being too hard on Datura.

Like everything else, it has it's positives and it's negatives. Yes, it can be dangerous, but so can a lot of things.

I've never taken it, but I have a friend who did it once and swears that it was one of the most profound experiences of her life (and she has done LSD, LSA, Psilocybin and numerous other entheogens). I also know that many people have had miserable trips under it's influence. I can say the same thing about people I know who have taken DMT.

I feel like when you guys write off Datura as a 'stupid, dangerous drug,' you are guilty of the same narrow mindedness that most lay people are when they label all psychedelic users as 'druggies.'

Do your homework, be safe, and don't dismiss anything you haven't personally tried.

I for one fully intend to try it at some point in my future, when I have a sitter I feel extremely comfortable with, several days I can be 'checked out,' as it where, and after I have done an adequate amount of homework, both spiritually, and academically.

Might it go terribly? Yes, but that is a risk that I am willing to take.

done it, and my homework. wrote some papers too.
as someone very experienced with it, and many other things, I'd advise against trying it.
it's not particularly psychedelic or euphoric.

That's the difference between us then I guess.

It's just too easy to overdo it with this stuff and from most of the reports I've read most people haven't gained that much insight from it. As it happens your friend is the first I've heard of.

Caution is a must is all I'm saying.

Datura plants can be medicinal, deliriants, or posions depending on the dose. It is a fine line between delirium and being posioned.

You can't quite compare nexians with narrowminded under-educated anti drug people. There is a negative outlook on datura because it is extremely easy to overdo it.

Its not like other psychedelics either. I take mushrooms and I have a bad trip and feel like I'm dying. I know that's just a bad trip; but my body is perfectly safe, same thing goes with the other etheogen that are for the most part very safe to use and no matter how crazy the trip gets you know you are physically safe.

Datura on the other hand you don't have that assurance.

I have used Datura for its nausea suppressing qualities. I used to think of using it as a delirium inducing drug, but after research came to the conclusion that I'd rather use something safe and enjoyable than to be out of it or possibly posion myself

I use plants as medicines and spend a lot of time researching to have factual based opinion and I'd just advise against it. Just be safe some plants aren't meant for human consumption.

It has nothing to do with our concern of a bad experience. It has everything to do with the fact that at the doses the OP is referring to, there is no way for the majority of people to quantify the tropane alkaloids present and death is actually a good possibility,(and I don't mean your typical D.A.R.E. esque [death hides behind the first toke!] but it is extremely common and easy to die from over dosing tropane alkaloids, especially when eating seeds), not just from toxicity but also from the intoxicated individual's inability to grasp any sort of reality. Have you ever tried to restrain a delirious drugged up asshole before? The problem with these doses is that they induce delirium, and when people are delirious they may do things they would have never done even if they had been influenced by the laundry list of other drugs.

My friend who, in waking life is a very caring and gentle woman, has never done me wrong and has excelled my expectation as a friend, I have taken psychedelics with her many times, high doses of LSD and mushrooms, and she drinks more ayahuasca than I do. I have never seen her exhibit any physical violence nor verbal, and watching her in a delirious state induced by datura was almost like watching her die. We really didn't think she was going to come back. She had the same mentality you did, and after experiencing with low smoked doses she decided to give it a whirl. Between her breaking free of her good set and setting and running from us, to breaking her pinky toe somehow, to urinating and defacating on herself and hitting the people she loved, somehow I don't want to try it, sorry brother. Go read most of the datura reports, the only positive ones are low dose accounts or idiots who had no problem scaring the shit out of their loved ones and going to jail or the hospital and eventually a psych ward, poisoned out of their minds.

It is also my understanding that it is all but impossible to know the potency of seeds, so there is no such thin as the right dose to get to a desired state of delirium(if there is such a thing). What a hundred seeds may do one time may only take 50 of another batch and so one may inadvertently take twice as much without even knowing it and that's a margin of error I would NEVER toy with when lethality is potentially at stake.

BAD Datura BAD!!!!

Oh and if even our good friend Mckenna shunned Datura then what more proof do you need

*O*

lol

Spacewalker, keep avoiding Datura. It's a slippery slope to venture into Datura Delirium.
There is no safe place. First off because the Lethal dose is just a tiny bit higher than
the dose required for a proper Datura delirium. Second off:
Datura Deliriums are rarely enjoyable, hardily ever remembered & is most likely to invoke
dangerous behaviour like wandering across the highway, jumping through windows, cutting your
penis off with hedgeshares, jumping out of windows & walking into a pond...repeatedly....

These are things people on Datura have been known to do.

Then there are the rare few reports of people who enjoyed this experience,
but there are many more that ended up in the psych ward, in prison or 6 feet under.
Never have I read anyone gaining significant spiritual insights on Datura.

So is that strange form of amusement that so few experience so rarely really worth
putting your sanity, your freedom & your very life on the line? I don't think so.
I think Datura Delirium could be likened with Lycanthropy: Once you have transformed
into a werewolf(have become Delirious with Datura) there's no telling what you will
do, who will be harmed & where you'll end up. When you transform back into a human
(when the Datura Delirium wears off) you may remember very little or even nothing
at all of what you did while you were a werewolf(Delirious). That is IF you're lucky
enough to survive the ordeal.

The only responsible use for Datura seeds I have found is chewing merely 3 of them some
30 minutes before heading to sleep. It can induce quite vivid dreams & even is quite
psychoactive in that low dose about 10 minutes after ingestion. This dose is low &
can never lead to Delirium or toxic effects, but even in this tiny dose I prefer to
avoid Datura.


If Datura keeps seducing you & drawing you in, as I know she can and has done with me,
take 3 seeds before bedtime & experience vivid, memorable dreams. Venture any further
into Datura's effects & you're garuanteed to get well acquainted with her wrathfull nature.

My personal experience is the seeds of Datura stramonium sprout readily and seem to have a 99% germination rate. You have to sprout them using a heat mat though, because nothing seems to happen at just room temperature. They seem to be very hardy plants that are easy to grow. After less than a month, to my great surprise the first flower is already forming on the tiny plants.

My interest in Datura lies primarily in cultivation - it's simply a curiosity in my growing ethnobotanical, medicinal, and edible collection. Like most, I have no interest in entering into a true delerium state where you end up sobering up with potentially:
- your house trashed and the front door open
- fridge and toilet inexplicably packed full of clothing and towels
- awakening halfway down a cliff with broken limbs and your front teeth smashed out
- not recognizing your own reflection in the mirror the entire time you're high
- ending up miles from where you started, several days later, with no shoes

Or, you end up not waking up at all. It really is a dangerous drug and, like the poster above me, I don't suggest dabbling in it beyond 5 seeds or less (i.e. to enhance dreams). Anything more and you have a high chance of destroying property, harming or killing yourself, or ending up with a criminal record. There's so many other safer things to enjoy that will pull you right out of current reality, such as the main topic of this forum.