I'm very very close to making a decision about DMT. I have never used it before and never actually "tripped" I smoked grass just a few years ago and I'm almost 30 now. I did try Salvia ONE time and during that time I saw the chrysanthemum pattern, and the next thing I know I was falling face first in my kitchen screaming F! F! F!. Before I took the saliva I had no idea about trips or even what it was supposed to do to me (young and dumb). So I feel like now that I understand what is (for the most part) going on in my head I feel that I am ready. My concern was that when I did salvia I physically got up and ran around, and I've seen others do the exact same thing, so I'm scared something insane may happen and I start running around doing unmentionables. Is it common to have such an adverse reaction and secondly is it possible that I was freaking out because I ("saw" something that I could not comprehend or was I just being stupid. My environment on the salvia was good I was in a dim lit room with my gf and very calm, mellow ect. Oddly enough the first time I ever did grass I saw the chrysanthemum pattern but only the first 10 minutes of my first J. Then never again, its amazing how these plants do the same thing just with there own specialty.

P.s I didn't want to read the trip reports because I really want a CLEAN slate going into this. I don't want someone else's interpretation of the experience to affect me in anyway.

thank you !
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It is not uncommon for people to move about on Salvia, some flail and some just wander with no relation to what they are experiencing in their heads. I think this is far less likely with DMT.

I would recommend you search this forum for Changa. It is a far more gentle and manageable intro to the substance than straight up vaping.

very cool ! Thank you I had read alittle about this Changa but couldn't wrap my head around it. So it would be recommended over just a low dose vap? I don't want to introduce anything other then the dmt.

I think you will find that it generally has the effect of a slower come on but is somewhat longer lasting overall. It is also easier to manage the dosage simply by smoking multiple smaller hits until you get to where you want to be.

There is an entire sub forum for Changa.

changa ftw


I wouldn't worry about getting up and moving around. This happens to a lot of people on salvia, and not really with dmt. (they are nothing alike, apart from the duration...and incredibly high level of wierdness)

For example, Pandora (iirc) is a salvia "sleep walker"... but she lays still on dmt.

Just start off with lower doses and work your way up

Hmm, I think you will be fine. Apples and oranges, Salvia and DMT.

The advice given so far I agree with 100%.

the chrysanthemum pattern... I have not seen this that I know of, but I have only used Salvia a few times and DMT a couple dozen times (about 25-30 times total)

Also keep in mind that the difference between a low dose 5-10mg and higher doses of 20-40mg is night and day. If you have a mg scale, or can get one, I highly recommend weighing out your dose when first starting out. It is very hard to gauge crystals for vaping just by eyeballing. A breakthrouughgood dose ofof Dmt in my opinion is far more lucid than saliva and a hundred times more mind blowing. It is impossible to sum up in words and cannot be compared to anything ellse. There simply are no words for it and only by stepping into hyperspace will you ever find out

Given your limited experience with psychedelics, I would take heed to the change advice, or at least start out with a subbreakthrough dose and work up in 5mg increments.

Read a little more about it and do read some trip reports to get a small glimpse, but in the end no reading will prepare you and no reading will make a difference to how your trip will unfold. It's far more powerfully and utterly unto its own than any preconceived notion you could have.

Take care and blessed be your journeys

-*O*j

I'd recommend changa too, though I wouldn't say its necessarily more gentle than vaped dmt. at a 1:1 ratio for example, a small hit is extremely powerful and will break you through with ease. the advantage of changa is that you can choose the potency though, so a weaker blend can be made for getting your feet wet, until you feel ready to go deeper and then a stronger blend may be a good idea. good luck

Yes... good point ratio is key. By the way acacian the little that I did recover from that metho shake madeof for some nice changa... all was not lost

glad to hear .. sucks you didnt get a higher yield. did ya try boiling the bark again? pm me

Yeah changa for the first attempt for sure.

Remember there is a 15-30 second time lag (less for some people) until you really start to feel the effects, so don't don't smoke it like pot and expect to smoke a full joint of changa to yourself. A few tokes should be enough for one person.

WOW thanks guys for the depth of the responses I was just thinking about this again and some more of my questions were just answered THANKS!

I am slowly building my rocket for hyperspace travel.