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Azerdion
#1601 Posted : 2/15/2013 1:44:34 PM

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Flippo wrote:
I live in the netherlands too and i had the same problem! Everybody was talking about a 'turkey blaster' but I didn't know the name for it in Dutch and had trouble finding this device but eventually i found it. Called 'braadpipet' in Dutch and you can order it at Bol.com for 9 euro's. Here: Bol.com/braadpipet. Takes only 1 day to deliver and should get mine in the mail today.


Thanks! Smile It says 5-10 days though Neutral I think I'll still buy it, but I was planning to do an extraction next week. The household I'm in does not really appreciate mind opening substances such as DMT. I have the house for myself next week so it would be the perfect time to try out an extraction. Any idea on what I could use in the meantime?

EDIT: Also, about your lye question. I'm not an expert. I'm far from it actually, but some guides I read (one of them being the one I'm going to use) said to put in a tablespoon of lye and wait a while. Might take up to 2 hours to get the soup back to two layers, though Wink
 

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#1602 Posted : 2/15/2013 1:56:36 PM

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Yeah i see, yesterday i ordered it and it said it would only take 1 day.. probably not in stock anymore (guess i had the last one Rolling eyes ). An alternative would be a siphoning device (hevelpomp), such as this one. Or you could go to a pharmacy and ask for an injection needle like this. Only problem with this needle is, that it's really hard to reach the naphta if your bottle's opening is small. So you will have to get the biggest needle which can take the biggest volume (i bought one which can take 20ml but still doesn't work very handy). Only costs like 50 cents though..
 
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#1603 Posted : 2/15/2013 2:05:37 PM

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Yeah snuifduif's tek Smile That's where i got the idea from. I tried putting it in a hot bath and mixing it but still doesn't work, so i'm going to try the spoon of lye. Thanks
 
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#1604 Posted : 2/15/2013 2:18:15 PM

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Flippo wrote:
Yeah i see, yesterday i ordered it and it said it would only take 1 day.. probably not in stock anymore (guess i had the last one Rolling eyes ). An alternative would be a siphoning device (hevelpomp), such as this one. Or you could go to a pharmacy and ask for an injection needle like this. Only problem with this needle is, that it's really hard to reach the naphta if your bottle's opening is small. So you will have to get the biggest needle which can take the biggest volume (i bought one which can take 20ml but still doesn't work very handy). Only costs like 50 cents though..


Thanks for the alternatives Smile Btw, when I look at the page of the 'braadpipet', It says that it is made from stainless steel. But it looks like it is see-through ;p When you've recieved it, could you tell me if it is or not? Because I searched bol.com after you gave me the link and apparantly there is a braadpipet which I can only find if I search for it(here). It seems like it's lesser quality, especially if the one you bought is see through. Then you would be able to see naptha going up. That way you can minimize the risk of getting soup in your naptha.Thumbs up Might be the best alternative though

Also, yeah snuifduif Cool
 
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#1605 Posted : 2/15/2013 2:40:49 PM

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I just opened my package Smile It's exactly the way it looks in the picture. I think they mean the tip of the pipette which is stainless steel. Indeed, that's what i like about this one that it is see-through Smile When do you want to start extracting? Maybe you get lucky and receive it within 5 or 6 days.
 
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#1606 Posted : 2/15/2013 2:56:21 PM

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Well, basically, I only have 5 days alone. I wanted to start on monday, and be done by friday.
Seemed doable. But not without a way to extract the naptha... Sad Might be best if I bought one of the alternatives. The one you bought really seems the best and easiest though Neutral
 
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#1607 Posted : 2/15/2013 3:10:46 PM

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I think the aluminium one from bol.com works fine too. That's a better option than the siphoning device and the injection needle. Good luck!
 
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#1608 Posted : 2/15/2013 3:14:20 PM

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I think I'll give that a try, yeah. Good luck to you too! I would love to hear how your extraction went! Very happy
 
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#1609 Posted : 2/15/2013 9:42:09 PM

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I think I'll give that a try, yeah. Good luck to you too! I would love to hear how your extraction went! Very happy


I won't recommend the thing i bought.. It isn't airtight so when you suck the liquid up, it flows right out again
 
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#1610 Posted : 2/15/2013 10:25:29 PM

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Flippo wrote:
Azerdion wrote:
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I won't recommend the thing i bought.. It isn't airtight so when you suck the liquid up, it flows right out again


Oh :/ Does it come in parts? Or as a whole? Because it might be that you put it together a little bit wrong(let's hope so, means you can fix it). Or you're sucking too much in one go? I don't think these things are made for sucking a lot at once.

O well, we'll see what happens next week when I get mine Wink
 
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#1611 Posted : 2/16/2013 5:58:36 PM

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Hi folks! OK, apologies if this is the wrong thread, this is my first post after the intro...

So, anyhow -- There's this idiot I met, I TOLD him it was a bad idea, but I wanted to check: SWIM's preparing to do the Amor Fati dry/non-toxic tek. Things seem clear to SWIM, and all materials are easily available (even the Fumaric acid in a nearby spice/specialty food store). The main open question left to SWIM is in regards to the relative merits of one specific facet of Amor Fati tek vs. something mentioned in the similar Q21Q21 dry process:

In Amor Fati's process, it talks about warming the vinegarized plant matter in a hot water bath, then adding hydrated lime.

In Q21Q21's process, it goes with adding vinegar and an equal amount of near-boiling water directly to the plant matter, then adding dry lime.

In actual experimentation, has anyone found that one process has greater merits than the other? Or is it just two ways of killing the same zombie?

Oh, incidentally, SWIM said that SWIM would be using A. Confusa, if that makes any difference.

Side Q: If one went with the A.F. tek, how long a hot water bath would be warranted? That isn't 100% clear to me in the tek or in any of the threads SWIM read.

 
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#1612 Posted : 2/16/2013 8:45:14 PM

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Azerdion wrote:
Flippo wrote:
Azerdion wrote:
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I won't recommend the thing i bought.. It isn't airtight so when you suck the liquid up, it flows right out again


Oh :/ Does it come in parts? Or as a whole? Because it might be that you put it together a little bit wrong(let's hope so, means you can fix it). Or you're sucking too much in one go? I don't think these things are made for sucking a lot at once.

O well, we'll see what happens next week when I get mine Wink


It comes as a whole and I think it's just not the best quality, but still better than nothing!
If I can give you a tip: It's pretty handy to buy a little pipette and needle at a pharmacy as well for siphoning small volumes of solvent

Edit: once you found your way with the turkey blaster it's pretty good Smile
 
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#1613 Posted : 2/17/2013 1:43:15 AM
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Thats turkey baster, basting is a process in cooking.
Try an ear syringe, though ive never seen one that is transparent. You might know it as the thing used to clear a babys nose. Just like a much smaller baster really.

First extraction totally failed. Second pull came out green as well. Re-extracting first pull; the naptha was boiled and poured through filter, but wouldnt even evaporate.
Must be the naptha; its clear in small amounts, but looks blue in the drum. Doing a second extraction, come back with result.
 
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#1614 Posted : 2/17/2013 3:01:21 AM

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Im following DOS Harmala Tek and Ive reached this step-

director of sound wrote:
an aditional clean up can be preformed if you want clean acetate salts for smoking or if you want clean freebase. after the evap by taking the thick yellow/red syrup/crystals (no not harmaline red...) and re basing them followed by 3 washes with a weak sodium carbonate (ph5) solution. you can then dissolve the freebase in anhydrous acetone to remove the leftover NaCO3 salt and lye. for the clean acetate salts you would suspend in alcohol again and add vinegar dropwise untill a semi clear solution was acheaved, filter and rex from a hot anhydrous alcohol.


Right now I have freebase harmaloids that have some Na2CO3 and salt contams in it
I want clean acetate salts.

2 Questions-

1. After I dissolve the freebase in anhydrous acetone, how do I go onto the next step? Do I filter the acetone alkaloid mixture and then let it evaporate or freeze precipitate? It says next to suspend the in alcohol again so I'm assuming I will be suspending freebase crystals.

2. After I suspend the cleaned freebase crystals (I'm assuming once again) in alcohol, and add vinegar dropwise and then filter, how would I re-x with anhydrous alcohol? I'm not understanding how to go from harmala acetate tincture suspended in alcohol, to a product that could be re-x'd.

Thank you for enlightening me on this. I'm sure my lack of knowledge in chemistry is pretty obvious.
 
Dn588
#1615 Posted : 2/17/2013 4:28:08 PM
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Hi all

about a week ago I started my second extraction using 500g MHRB, the tech I used is Q2121's food grade tech(fluffy white funfest). from my first pull after 24h I got 0.75g, second pull after 96h yielded 0.35g and third pull 2 days later yielded 0.5g. From what i've read MHRB is supposed to contain 0.5-2.5% spice? If that's the case I don't seem to be doing to well. I bought the bark from the well known source in the Netherlands could it be bad quality? My first extraction I used 100g and just multiplied everything by 5 for the second attempt, is there something i'm missing which should be changed when using a larger quantity? I also thought about using xilene or d-limonene for the next attempt as then I would be getting the mystery alcaloid(jungle spice) as well, should that increase the yield much?
Thanks in advance.
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Azerdion
#1616 Posted : 2/18/2013 12:32:02 AM

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Dn588

It is not allowed to mention your source Wink
 
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#1617 Posted : 2/18/2013 7:55:11 AM
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Sorry, forgot about that... hope it's ok now?
“Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering its a feather bed.”
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#1618 Posted : 2/21/2013 2:20:06 AM

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Dn588,

.5% is a pretty good yield. If you want to try to pull more, you'll probably be pulling less dmt and more of the jungle spice. You can pull additional product out by using a different solvent such as xylene, or heating the mixture via hot water bath before pulling again with naptha
 
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#1619 Posted : 2/21/2013 2:25:06 AM

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Help with STB extraction: Dark naptha pull

Hey guys, SIWM is fairly experienced, and is currently running an STB extraction using 1kg mhrb, 5gal water, 1.5kg NaOH. On his first pull, the mimosa mud was still hot from dumping in the lye, and the naptha pulled off a murky purple/red color. After letting it sit for a day, the murkiness settled to the bottom, and the naptha was pulled off of the top, resulting in a clear purple/red solution. Assuming some extra plant materials were pulled out, what can be done from here to separate out the fluffy white goodness from the plant crap?

Thanks in advance
 
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#1620 Posted : 2/21/2013 3:04:20 AM
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I followed this(Cybs' Hybrid ATB 'Salt' Tek) tek, but when i pull the naptha into the glass it doesn't look white, but yellow(and also smells like naptha), is this ok?

Now is in the freezer waiting for tomorrow
 
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