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#1 Posted : 2/9/2013 5:14:33 AM

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I'm trying to see if there is any correlation to the use of psychedelics in the 60s and if that helped spawn the counter culture. In other words, what was gained from psychedelics.

I know that it helped with music and art. But I'm just curious what you guys think. I don't want to miss anything Smile
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#2 Posted : 2/9/2013 6:23:28 AM

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Definitely.

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Watson and Crick on DNA double Helix and LSD

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Karry Mullis who is credited with the invention of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) has said he got the idea while on LSD. PCR has allowed huge advances in DNA technology including DNA matching in crimes


Lots of computer programmers have done a fair amount of work on LSD.

Edit: I would recommend that you read the book Acid Dreams by Martin Lee and Bruce Shlain. Lot's of history from the early days. Some of the stuff about the CIA and LSD in the 50s is absolutely nuts.
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#3 Posted : 2/9/2013 6:30:47 AM

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This is something that I have wondered about for some time. Though correlation does not imply causation, I think that they are at a minimum, correlated. Whether or not psychedelics "spawned" counterculture is a different story all together. Maybe it was the other way around or maybe it was all just coincidental.

If you [OP] are speaking of the enlightening of the American mind by means of LSD, lets not forget that LSD has not always had the most positive of consequences...Syd Barret and the like.

I suppose to answer this question, you first need to consider what happened first, either somebody did LSD and told his friends how awesome it was (we know it was legal for a bit for use in counseling), or some free thinker shared tales about how enlightening it was when taken outside the context of counseling. Because in the beginning it was either used in counseling, or it wasn't. I mean, who was the first recreational user of psychedelics in the 20th century and how did that spread? Did that spreading have anything to do with the counterculture? or did the counterculture help precipitate the spreading? Would the counterculture have happened devoid of psychedelics? What was the cause and what was the affect?

Some interesting questions, none of which I have the answers to.

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#4 Posted : 2/9/2013 6:35:10 AM

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Wave Rider wrote:
I mean, who was the first recreational user of psychedelics in the 20th century and how did that spread? Did that spreading have anything to do with the counterculture? or did the counterculture help precipitate the spreading? Would the counterculture have happened devoid of psychedelics? What was the cause and what was the affect?

Some interesting questions, none of which I have the answers to.

The CIA had it long before the hippies. they actually used to dose each other by surprise so that they could get used to the effects in case the Russians started to use it as an interrogation tool, etc.
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#5 Posted : 2/9/2013 8:37:47 AM

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I think when we look back at the sixties, its a little bit too easy to say that the mass misuse is what led to the crackdown. In the follow up study that I did to the Good Friday experiment, Timothy Leary was the faculty sponsor in 1962, and it was about helping people who were religiously inclined to see if psilocybin would help them have mystical experiences. I did a follow up study 25 years later and I talked to the various people in the middle 80's, and what I learned from them is that they remembered their mystical experiences from psilocybin before, they still considered them valid, and they said there was a link between the unitive sense of connection; a little bit of their loss of fear of death, a little bit of empowerment, that led them to do work in social justice movements. Some talked about the civil rights movement, others talked about the environmental movement, some talked about the anti-war movement, the women's rights movement. So I think it's when psychedelics went right was the main reason that there was the crackdown and the reason that psychedelics went wrong was kind of the excuse; "We've gotta protect these people who are having these bad experiences, killing themselves, going to hospital emergency rooms", and there was a lot of that. At the same time though I think it was this association of people who were inspired by this sense of connection and the implications of that to challenge the status quo...

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#6 Posted : 2/9/2013 8:38:21 AM

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spinCycle wrote:
Wave Rider wrote:
I mean, who was the first recreational user of psychedelics in the 20th century and how did that spread? Did that spreading have anything to do with the counterculture? or did the counterculture help precipitate the spreading? Would the counterculture have happened devoid of psychedelics? What was the cause and what was the affect?

Some interesting questions, none of which I have the answers to.

The CIA had it long before the hippies. they actually used to dose each other by surprise so that they could get used to the effects in case the Russians started to use it as an interrogation tool, etc.



Where is the evidence for this? Despite the answer to this question...so what? What does that say about how the counterculture began?

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#7 Posted : 2/9/2013 7:44:43 PM

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Wave Rider wrote:
This is something that I have wondered about for some time. Though correlation does not imply causation, I think that they are at a minimum, correlated. Whether or not psychedelics "spawned" counterculture is a different story all together. Maybe it was the other way around or maybe it was all just coincidental.

If you [OP] are speaking of the enlightening of the American mind by means of LSD, lets not forget that LSD has not always had the most positive of consequences...Syd Barret and the like.

I suppose to answer this question, you first need to consider what happened first, either somebody did LSD and told his friends how awesome it was (we know it was legal for a bit for use in counseling), or some free thinker shared tales about how enlightening it was when taken outside the context of counseling. Because in the beginning it was either used in counseling, or it wasn't. I mean, who was the first recreational user of psychedelics in the 20th century and how did that spread? Did that spreading have anything to do with the counterculture? or did the counterculture help precipitate the spreading? Would the counterculture have happened devoid of psychedelics? What was the cause and what was the affect?

Some interesting questions, none of which I have the answers to.


Thanks, yeah im writing a paper for school, about the impact of psychedelic drugs in the 60s...So i am having a bit of difficulty finding the answers to some of these questions. lol There hard questions for sure. Smile
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Kinda off-topic, but:

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#9 Posted : 2/9/2013 8:20:33 PM

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Wave Rider wrote:
Where is the evidence for this? Despite the answer to this question...so what? What does that say about how the counterculture began?

It is extremely well documented. Read the book Acid Dreams I mentioned above. At the end there is about 30 pages of bibliography where their sources are listed. About 7 or 8 pages worth deal directly with the CIA stuff. A lot of it was revealed in congressional hearings investigating MKULTRA and other mind control research initiatives. Primary source ducuments are listed in the bibliography.

Ken Kesey got his first taste of LSD and other psych meds from a government funded research program at Stanford U. and then went on to form the Merry Prankster who were a main influence on LSD's entrance into mass culture via the Acid Tests and the Grateful Dead. This is not to imply that they were CIA controlled. Just the opposite it seems. They liked the stuff a lot. It all just got away from the CIA's control.

I was amazed when I first read this book. Prior to this I just knew of it as starting out with the hippies in California as is usually presented in the mass media. I consider it a must read for anyone interested in psychedelics themselves and psychedelic culture in the western world.

Really, just read it.

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#10 Posted : 2/9/2013 8:29:32 PM

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I am under the impression that psychedelics did serve as a catalyst for the counter-culture. People like Huxley, Kesey, Leary and Alpert were experimenting before the counter-culture was in full swing, and these were the people who were largely responsible for the mass paradigm shift.

If psychedelics teach us anything, it's that what we have been taught is only a small fraction of reality and should not be taken as ultimate truth. Even our trips have shown us that our expanded knowledge of the world/cosmos is still very limited. But when people started turning on, they began to question the dominant culture. In effect, the counter-culture became a force that would shake the system. There is no doubt in my mind that mind altering substances/practices/rituals were the leaders of this movement.
 
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#11 Posted : 2/9/2013 8:50:28 PM

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Here is the entire book Acid Dreams online, including pictures of some of the CIA agents involved and the entire bibliography.
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#12 Posted : 2/10/2013 1:21:24 AM

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spinCycle wrote:
Here is the entire book Acid Dreams online, including pictures of some of the CIA agents involved and the entire bibliography.


Wow great find. Thank you!!! Smile
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Where is the evidence for this? Despite the answer to this question...so what?

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It spawned an alternate view of our world and the universe. Life experience spawned cultural revolution, i.e environmental changes and consequent adaptation.
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as much as I love rational and reason, being a scientist.

I think the systematic, institutionalization, way of life spawned (Or at least seem to have) in the 20th century is destroying the beauty, and capabilities of life.

Its limiting our capabilities by forcing us into routine, forcing us all to stay on the same level, unable to grow.

such as.. schools, jails, filing cabinets, military, mental hospitals, electro-shock therapy.

No system will ever be efficient method for something as unique and ever changing as a human being.

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I think psychedelic revolution can change this view.
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#16 Posted : 2/10/2013 7:04:44 AM
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I think that psychedelics did cause a revolution in counterculture. So many people trying to change things results in evolution of counterculture. Everybody tried different things. Some people made noise in the streets and got LSD banned. Others channeled their excitement into their work and that is why, in my opinion, we have seen an explosion in computer technology over the last 60 years. By counterculture evolution, I mean that more intelligent manifestations of counterculture survived, while the less subtle methods died out as quickly as the government could recognize and react to them. The intelligence of countercultural practices will continue to evolve until counterculture and mainstream culture are one in the same thing.

Society is undergoing an incomprehensible shift in technological capability and attitude. Granted this shift is occurring over a time scale of generations (the time it takes the previous generation to step down from roles of power, etc.), it is still exciting to live in such times. In roughly 10 years, marijuana will probably be legal in the majority of U.S. states. Soon enough, everyone will be OK with the recreational use of marijuana, and other drug prohibitions will fall like dominos. Exciting times...

Based on what societal and technological changes have occurred in the last 50 years, can you imagine what it will be like 50 years from now?!
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The OP initially pointed out how the use of psychedelics in the '60s effected the art and music of the time. I'd like to point out that this is non-trivial. The arts are ubiquitous in our culture, and have an effect on the minds of the masses. Artists at places like Disney were dropping acid, then making art for the next generation to grow up on. This is in addition to the new insights made in science and technology as a result of psychedelic experimentation. I dont think it's an exaggeration to say that the mass use of entheogens in that time period sent a sort of evolutionary shockwave through our whole civilization.
 
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Guyomech wrote:
The OP initially pointed out how the use of psychedelics in the '60s effected the art and music of the time. I'd like to point out that this is non-trivial. The arts are ubiquitous in our culture, and have an effect on the minds of the masses. Artists at places like Disney were dropping acid, then making art for the next generation to grow up on. This is in addition to the new insights made in science and technology as a result of psychedelic experimentation. I dont think it's an exaggeration to say that the mass use of entheogens in that time period sent a sort of evolutionary shockwave through our whole civilization.


Indeed.
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