hey Art...just because i gave advice that doesnt 'fit' your ideas or beliefs..doesnt mean they wont help...he has a psychological issue here..and why not give his mind something to grasp onto that will allow it to stabilize..the moqui marbles and the kyanite..they are FOCUSES..for the mind..they are reminders..

and the guy was asking for advice..so i gave him some..if you dont like it...OH FUCKIN WELL..but you dont have to say my advice is any worse than some doctor that would shoot him up with some drug that made his condition worse...at worst..my advice would do nothing at all...so dont come in here with your greater than thou additude..its very bad for discussions

In a sense i agree with art. If you're haunted by 'electric jews' you're seriously fucked up. You don't want to take more psychedelics, you don't want to experiment on yourself or follow the advice of amateur-shamans.
On the other hand, once you're haunted by things that in the normal world would be described as figments of an out-of-controll imagination, just saying 'it's all in your head' 'mioght not be that helpfull. I assume that doctors already have told you this.
Psychonauts can give you usefull advice on how to deal with the visions you have. Not on wich type of medication would be wise or unwise to take.
Whether western psychiatry is a good or a bad thing depends very much on whether you're dealing with a good or a bad psychiatrist. There are good one's and there are bad ones. It's part of the professional ethics of a psychiatrist to closely monitor or the medication he proscribes sorts the right effects, for instance. With many serious illnesses it's unfortunately often a matter of testing wich medication is right for you. Everybody responds differently to the same medications, so a good psychiatrist will change your medication if you tell him that your situation deteriorates. Also, a good psychiatrist will tell you that some medicine's will not work instantaniously. Sometimes a deteriorating situation may continue to deteriorate further before the med's start to kick in. This is the problem that occurs most often with psychiatric medication; pills don't work immediately, but often their unpleasant side effects do; patients decide by themselves, without consulting their doctor, to stop their medication, thus interfering with what could develop into a succesfull therapy. This is also the reason why antidepressants lead to an increased risk of suïcides during the first few weeks of use; patients expect effects immediately and when this doesn't happen they despair.

Well my condition is pretty good almost fully normal now. I don't see or communicate with electronic entities anymore because I don't see/notice them. Maybe a fraction of a second once a month I notice them again.
I got myself in a good state not by psychiatric therapy, meds, or advice from others, but by doing what my intuition made feel was the right thing to do. This at times even involved taking mushrooms and ayahuasca. I believe these plants can not only sometimes open up a condition, but also cure it. These plants are in nature probably for a reason. The psychiatric meds seem to have caused a lot of my troubles. Before I got injected with Risperdal and Clopixol I didn't have these electronic entities problems in a negative way. I saw them but they were benign. I got injected, and they turned evil, annoying me bodily and mentally. I don't care if these entities are in the mind, in the head, real, or not. I don't care. I notice them, they seem super intelligent, and annoy my body. The question of what they are is interesting but doesn't help when dealing with them. When I dealt with them, I always felt what to do, right and wrong. And like I said sometimes when feeling what is right, this involved takin psychedelics. I did all that, and now I feel pretty fine. Not fully, I still feel like my thoughts are tapped but I don't believe in the 'model' of schizophrenia. It's simplistic. I think there is a hyperspacial plane or level linked to this existence that is more akin to a plane of thought energies, and these entities come from there, and somehow psychedelics seem to link to opening and maybe closing contact with it.

I also posted this at psychonaut.com and I posted some interesting stuff on the 'entities' behaviour. For those who care here are some posts I posted there that describe how these beings acted.

These beings seem to know my intentions before I do something, and they react in accordance to it. I can't give an example because it's the subtleness of thoughts they work with. When I have the intention to for example move my arm to the right to grab a coke, they will project a feeling in my mind making me feel like this is a bad thing to do. They are very silent usually and subtle, but let their presence be known usually by showing things that i understand. Like from time to time they showed their presence by showing me in my mind the blue and white of the jewish flag, and nothing more, and then I didn't get it at first, and then when I get it, I can hear something like 'you better realize it'. Understand? It's not like I'm talkign to myself, it's like I'm talking to an entity that knows my brain and consciousness. Or entities.
As for paranoia, I'm never/rarely afraid.

It's not just these 'electronic jews' that probably call themselves that way because I understand these terms, but also triangles with an eye in it, like the egyptian pyramidion. These beings are TERRIBLE. They react to EVERY nerve impulse, thought, whatever. Suppose you touch something. You touched it right. The realization you did, they register, and you notice it by their presence. As soon as I realized I did touch, or think about the feeling for even a fraction of a thousand of a second, bingo, I see them, they see me.
Or red 'fallen angels'. They react to desires, 'forcing' you to usually move. Suppose you lie down and want to turn to another side because you have pain from lying on your back or one side all the time. The electronic jews will give you a feeling like it's bad to turn, but then if you desire to turn, these red fallen angels will project a feeling into you like it feels good, and you see them, and sometimes they gave spasm feeligns, like your body spasms, these spasms making you twist and turn until you end up in the correct position, and then for example I heard one time a song phrase 'with a little help from my friends' and these beings winked their eye at me. There is intelligence behind it.

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When I got released from the ward I took mushrooms.
I had a breath problem, like I described, like my breath regularly fails and gasps.
When I was on the mushrooms, my breath felt normal.
Then I heard a phrase from Lily Allen's song "The Fear" (she says: I'm packing plastic, and that's what makes my life so fucking fantastic)
While I heard these electric beings say "so fucking fantastic" in my mind, like taken from the song but in their voice (they have a specific voice), I saw them in my mind inject an energy needle into my brain, and with it, immediatelly I felt during the trip my breath constrict and like gasp for air, just like I had when off the mushrooms, and from that point onward, I had it during a trip too.

Weird if you ask me. (Not 'so fucking fantastic', these things have a sense of humour)

I'm glad your condition improved. There where whole discussions on this forum on whether 'entities' are real or not. It's interesting philosophically, but not that relevant from the perspective of your case.
You can have a whole discussion on psychiatric medications as well, but what it comes down to is that these med's don't make you healthy; they make you healthier. They act upon chemical imbalances and they don't restore the imbalance, they interfere chemically so the imbalance becomes less. They are not made to make you feel nice, but to save your life.
The psychiatric theory on schizofrenia may not be perfect, but it's not meant to serve as an interesting metaphysical reflexion on the soul, it's meant to help people in acute or chronic and always severe crisis.
To me it sounds like you underestimate how severe your condition was.
You had a fight with your brother that was serious enough for him to call the cops. If someone calls the cops to protect him against his own family, then it's usually pretty bad. Then you started a metaphysiscal discussion with these cops wich means that or you have an astonishingly briliant sense of humour or you absolutely did not realise what kind of situation you was in, then you where taken to a clinic and given heavy med's. Even when given a lecture on metaphysics cops don't usually take you to a clinic. When people are taken to a clinic by cops, they're not immediately injected by heavy medications. Usualy they're placed in a 24 hour observation first.
As a psychonaut i can tell you, that your visions do not control you and that no entity could ever seriously exercise any serious power over your soul.
But i have to agree with art that this sounds like a serious psychiatric event to me. And a good shrink is definately better suited for these kind of crises like most of us on the nexus. Med's often make you feel worse before anything improves. And to me it sounds like eventually they've worked.
Once again; no entity can ever have any real power oevr you and don't quit your med's without consulting your doctor first.

Wanne hear something strange?
The very first time I saw the entities that were benign... before I was put into the psychiatry, I actually had no grasp about what psychiatry was. I knew psychologists and that's it.
But one of these electric entities I saw was a 'psychiatrist' that communicated and stuff. That was like I said before I knew what it ment.
Kinda interesting to me how it existed seein as afterwards I only had troubles with psychiatrists.

I'm glad you are feeling better as well, but what you are describing is a psychotic break. Psychosis doesn't usually present in men until the age of 19 or 20, and once it does, it usually isn't confined to a one-time occurrence. The brain is a very complicated machine. Just because you see and feel something, doesn't make it real.

Just as an example, take a look at this clip. The hot girl with big cans presents herself to you in color, but is she really? I say no, but you be the judge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oJIFBqd2IY

Now, the dipshits teling you to ayahuasca away your electric jews will look at the clip, rub their marbles and run to consult their DMT entities, but it's still just your brain mis-firing and incorrectly processing information. Listen to Polytrip on this one and seek real world medical help. You may very well have to deal with this issue from time to time for the rest of your life. This ain't the place to work it out and neither is Psychonaut.com.

To the rest of you: DMT is great, but imagine if you could NEVER turn it off. Try to imagine your breakthrough place, and then what it might actually be like to have to be there AT ALL TIMES, having to integrate it into consensus reality and navigate your way through the world with it, cut off from everyone and everything around you, living entirely in your head. This is what schizophrenics deal with. It's what the world likely looks like to the screaming homeless guy on your corner. Clearly, anyone with a chemical imbalance should not be imbibing in psychedelics, and anyone with a history of psychotic breaks is rolling the dice in doing so. How fucking stupid is the advice to "follow your instincts", when given to someone with this condition? How irresponsible is it for anyone here to be throwing around casual tripping advice? If you choose to believe you smoke from a basepipe, leave your body and go get your soul milked, it's certainly your prerogative. It makes the rest of us look like nuts, but believe what you want to believe. Just try and be a little more careful in the advice you throw around.

Just one more thing: I read and posted onto a thread a couple of weeks ago where some guy's girlfriend was having psychotic breaks each time she was taking psychedelics. Just so happened he was also smoking DMT every time it happened, so of course his conclusion was that DMT entities were worming their way out of hyperspace and causing her breaks to occur. Now, just how batshit crazy is that??? And some of you very same retards were trying to tell him how she should trip her way through it going forward, or how they could ayahuasca their way together to the happy place. That is just nuts - crazier by far than his crazy assumption, and irresponsible to the bone.

I assume dipshit refers to me, since I'm the one who brought up the topic of ayahuasca. Okay.
To reiterate what I wrote in my last post, it is not my recommendation that Vlad should ingest psychedelics. What I meant to say that someone who has lot of experience of ayahuasca might be more responsive to what Vlad is going (has been going) through and could perhaps offer some insight.

I repeat, I am not endorsing that anyone in that kind of state should take ayahuasca or any other psychedelic. In fact in my humble opinion it would be better for him/her to stop reading this forum for a while, give up that monatomic gold stuff and get some more "ordinary" hobbies.

Actually this is not the case at all. I smoked DMT several times while I ran away from the psychiatric ward and was under influence of the neuroleptics, and I took mushrooms too, and the trip was still there albeit altered, probably by the medications.

The world as I experienced it is one where there was NO alternation of my perception of reality. I understood everything, could reason, everything functioning normal, EXCEPT, that I saw entities like made out of electric light, that communicated with me, and that I constantly felt my thoughts and nervous system were tapped by an energy. NOT like a trip AT ALL. In fact during trips on mushrooms, these entities seemed to 'lay low', as if my real self was active then and they had to lay low. When off the trip, these entities were hostile.

I do not recommend to anyone experiencing this to go to a psychiatrist, having experienced such a condition and psychiatrists myself. They treat you with disbelief and disrespect, and neglect what you have to say, considering it useless babble. They are of no help. They rely on medications and 'therapy' to do the job for them. At best you see the doctor maybe half an hour in two weeks even though legally you should see the doctor more but the law isn't always applied. Basically you are locked up in a ward 'for your protection', as if you are a runt that doesn't know what he's doing. I, personally, ALWAYS knew what I was doing, but got treated like as if I'm demented. And nobody takes ANYTHING you have to say seriously.

I think I would have gotten more help from a shaman indeed. I kept seeing these electric entities even AFTER I was released from the ward, and they annoyed me BIG TIME, and it was by doing the right thing, what feels right by intuition, after I was released, that I got myself more or less normal.

The fundamental problem seems to be the ASSUMPTION that electric beings are not real, and a figment of the imagionation of the mind. Shamans seem to not adhere to this assumption. Hence why I think a shaman would have been more useful.

I'm not trying to attack anyone in particular. I just think there's way too much casual advice given out around here, and certainly in Vlad's case, it's potentially damaging.

And Vlad: You're kinda making my point for me. I hope this works itself out.

I disagree. It's real when you feel it and see it in your mind. To say it's not real is to deny sight and sensory impulses, whereever they come from. Feelings are real, so are things you see. They are just not seen or felt by others.

You went to a bad psychiatrist. Someone with a serious condition is supposed to be monitored around the clock.
On the other hand; psychiatry is like a sort of life-saving surgery, with the difference that patients usually don't know why they're being treated;In the patients view, psychiatrists often appear as very hostile, even when they genuinely trying to help the patient.
When you where taken to a clinic by cops because you where a threat to yourself, your brother and to them, a psychiatrist will rightfully not care much about whether the 'electric jews' are real, because this is of no relevance for improving your condition.

This is in your own best interest; seek a different shrink. Not a shaman. Seek a shrink, tell him you've had a psychotic episode, that you don't want to have it again and that you often see entities.
It is of no relevance at this point, how real the entities are. BTW, a good shaman will not accept you, but send you to a medical specialist as well. You had a bad shrink, don't make the mistake of having a bad shaman as well. I know of cases where bad, traditional medicine men killed people.

A friend of me was in indonesia when he got malaria. There where no modern doctors around, so he visited a medicine man. The guy told my friend that he didn't had malaria. He only (nearly) survived because someone else eventualy transported him to a modern hospital and he was given modern med's.
A good shrink or a good shaman will tell you; i don't care whether the 'electric jews' are real, you need med's.
Med's given to someone in an acute condition lower dopamine levels to a more normal condition; they drastically lower the energy of an overactive mind. It's understandable that this doesn't exactly feel good, but it's meant to get your feet back on the ground.
Would you've liked it better if you'd one morning woken up and found out you killed somebody or you'd cut of one of your ears?

I NEVER lost touch with reality. Psychiatrists treat you like you do.



There is no proof for this whole chemical imbalance theory/hypothesis.

Meds only fucked with my mind. Made my sight and vision horrible and fucked up and changed nothing about these electric entities I saw. Psychiatry is imo a pseudoscience, they understand very little of how the mind and brain works and they are certainly not the ones to say what is real and what's not. That's mental fascism.

with all due respect, I think you make very valid points, but they would probably be received better without all the name calling. just my 2 cents...

Fair enough. The feedback is noted and appreciated. My apologies all around.

We all share a common fascination, and that's why we're here. I just hate to see anyone getting damaged by it, and this all doesn't sound too good.

DEF!!! DEF!!! DEF!!!

I would propably trust a shaman more than a psychiatrist. The later would surely help me "block" the symptoms, but I think that only a shaman can help ME reintegrate the images I'm seeing because he is experienced with them and knows what they could mean in a wider context he is drawing his power from.

please just answer this one question vlad - have u ever smoked salvia ? - i have a very good reason for asking and will explain after your answer.

No never smoked it, why?

i had a similar situation - it was as severe as it could be for me - but not to that extent - it felt as if something attached itself to me, i felt salvia was the cause. maybe check my experience in the experience section here.