Hello everyone,

This forum has been a huge help in allowing me to decipher the meaning behind my own experiences. I'm sure that many fellow souls (myself included) would feel alone if it were not for this forum. That being said, I'm proud to be a part of this community!

Below is more of a trip report concerning my first experience than an introduction essay... the essay will come later on in this thread. However, I feel that I cannot adequately express why I would like full membership without first describing my experience.

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As many of us tend to do, I had spent a long while browsing the forums before joining. Last night I had the opportunity to vaporize a ~65mg dose of spice in the comfort of my own bed.

Both my girlfriend and I have considerable experience with various psychedelics and RC's. Needless to say, we were very eager to take the plunge. What followed was most definitely not what I had expected.

I had initially felt a small bit of anxiety in regards to smoking spice, but wrote this off to anticipation and having been reminded of an uncomfortable experience with salvia. I had decided to use approx. ~16g of nitrous before the experience, to calm my nerves. I am becoming more convinced that this was where I was asking for trouble. I will elaborate later.

After holding the first lung-full of vapor in for at least ten seconds, I slowly exhaled. To my surprised I had tasted nothing unpleasant or harsh... and the potency of this hit was becoming distinctly obvious. I held in another long haul- at that point my entire field of vision began to ripple and divide into a cellular pattern. I do not remember exhaling this last draw of vapor.

I quickly laid back down onto my pillow and closed my eyes. What followed was unlike anything I have ever experienced. There was a distinctly organic yet digital sound that I attributed to the entity who led me through this experience. The sound was constant as I was pulled into my consciousness by my third-eye and completely lost any sense of my body. I was in my conscious mind but I suddenly felt that I was being integrated into another plane / dimension / existence with a program(?) that used ribbons of color that exactly resembled an extra-dimensional variation of the "Mystify your Mind" screensaver from Windows 95. Below is an example of this screen-saver.

http://mystifyyourmind.com/

There was a raw feeling of being programmed by something alien- but all of this was quickly interrupted. Something had obviously gone wrong. The being that was aiding me through my journey suddenly became offended... or at least it became aware of something that it knew I had done wrong. The next thing I knew I was no longer lying down. I was sitting up with my eyes open, sitting at the end of the bed and looking at my girlfriend. She looked at me and said "What's wrong sweetie?". The look of horror on her face confused me, as I had not remember the last five or so seconds.

Before I knew what was happening, I was suddenly lying back down, opening my eyes and feeling panicked. I knew something was wrong. At this point I had asked my girlfriend to leave the room. She politely complied and walked out of the room. After apparently yelling in terror for a few moments, I suddenly cried out "I miss my mother. I miss my girlfriend." I also remember thinking "I miss my brother. My dog!". My girlfriend re-entered the room at this point and stood, silhouetted against the wall, and said "What's wrong sweetie?". The look of horror on her face confused me. Before I knew what was happening, I was suddenly lying back down, opening my eyes and feeling panicked.

This loop repeated itself a number of times until it finally ended quickly by reintegrating back into my linear concept of time. I was unaware that it had ended and was slowly coming back to my senses. I looked away from my girlfriend and was staring into the blank wall in front of me. I was faced with an eight foot, higher-dimensional being's compound eye that consisted of geometric shapes that I had never seen before, flowing in a manner that was beyond our realm. I broke down in tears and requested that I be released out of the loop... before realizing that I was finally out. The eye slowly dissolved. The next ten minutes were spent in bed, next to my girlfriend, in absolute horror and awe. The visuals at this point are hard for me to remember.

The only time I had ever experienced anything indicative of fractal time was under the influence of nitrous. I have come to understand, through reflection of prior experiences and posts on this message board, that this was more than likely caused by a lack of respect on my part. Using a dissociative drug before welcoming the entities that await is simply put, disrespectful. At FULL attention everyone!

If you're interested in reading more about "The Loop" there is a fantastic thread that discusses this collective experience. I'm not the only one this has happened to!

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=15930

Namaste

The loop is not a fun place to be.

confusion, not knowing how or why, not able to think linearly.

Thoughts are opposing, strong ambivalence,

the eerie deja vu, time slowing, frame by frame,

and then everything, you just
crash

..thank you for this report of a somewhat harrowing experience..
the nitrous oxide maybe could have had an effect on things..
i've never gotten the 'loop' from just DMT and nothing else, but have twice when it was combined with
a) harmalas+refined sugar; and b) cannabis+harmalas

to get through i just said as a mantra in my head: 'it'll be over in 40 minutes' 'just hang on, and watch'..
but not easy, but detached observation can help..

I definitely feel like it is possible that I was being made aware of how disrespectful it was to casually use nitrous before the experience. In retrospect, I recognize how arrogant this would have seemed to an entity attempting to put energy into helping me move beyond myself.

You mention refined sugar? That is very interesting... I am going to make an attempt to significantly cut down on my intake. I will try to completely abstain from that as well before a 'vision quest'. Still having a hard time describing the experience with one word. 'Trip' seems a little disingenuous.

Thanks for the replies everyone

Thanks for sharing this dude. I am sorry you had such a rough time, but I bet you posting this story will help others avoid possibly doing the same thing or setting themselves up for a similar experience.

Whilst harrowing, the Loop can certainly be instructive.

I would also advise a bit more consideration to dosage of DMT and vaporising technique. 65mg if vaped optimally would be an unnecessarily brutal experience for most people.

Thanks for sharing your experience....

"65mg if vaped optimally would be an unnecessarily brutal experience for most people".

Point noted. I most definitely thought of this before the experience. However, there was 130mg's between the two of us and considering our relative tolerance to psychedelics, we were concerned that the spice would go to waste if we were to split it into quarters rather than halves. What a foolish assumption on my part; I know now to take it slow. The experience is fast enough

My girlfriend actually had a very limited experience in which she struggled to really even focus on the visuals presented to her. The torch lighter died and we are convinced that improper vaporization technique with a bic lighter trashed her hit. I feel absolutely horrible that she came out of this once-in-a-blue-moon experience with apparently nothing too intriguing. Her asthma does not help either, so next time I am going to try to make one of the "machines" I keep seeing mentioned. We have only ever come across Spice once, so she is feeling quite bummed about it. Festival season is coming up soon however!

Now to try and convince her to start off with a modest dose and a torch lighter. Rather than diving into a massive one because of her prior disappointment.

There are plenty of extraction teks over on the wiki

You could extract your own in no time!

Warm welcome,
Wearepeople

Thanks for the warm welcome!

Thinking of setting up a grass patch at home.

Can you suggest any teks for an extraction from Phalaris grass?

thanks for sharing

So I never did describe why I am seeking full-membership... but perhaps that has already become clear to you after having read the posts above.

I am seeking guidance, knowledge and an opportunity to compare my experiences with those of others. At this point, I have already all of the above within these forums and I am now looking forward to the opportunity to reply to a few threads in the main forum that I feel I may be able to contribute to. However brief my insights may be

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. I really do feel that this community itself is a perfect example of the positive impact that DMT and Ayahuasca has on our society.

Relevant

Hello trufflz,

Welcome to the Nexus. Thank you so much for sharing your deep and difficult experience. Many of us have been to similar territory . . .

I do need to ask you to take a moment though to edit your first paragraph. Please eliminate any reference to commerce in your post. Please read this for more information. . .
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...ng_or_smuggling_of_drugs

I would encourage you to take a good look around. Not only are there extraction teks to produce your own DMT in the wiki, but there are a number of section that could help you such as smoking and changa in this area . . https://www.dmt-nexus.me...lt.aspx?g=forum&c=20

Also, you might want to look into meditation or trying to find a very calm, open, welcoming state before dosing. Go in smiling. And try to meet whatever comes with surrender, love and acceptance, vowing to figure it all out later. At least this works for me. Others may have different opinions.

Also, your sitter could use a bit more experience. Instead of Sweetie what's wrong with a horror show face how about just a calming presence, smiling, reminding you that you took a drug and that this experience will come to an end. Reminding your of her love. Encouraging you to sit back, close your eyes, let go and try to smile and accept. Once again, this is just one woman's personal opinion on how to improve. things.

And yeah, that dose was crazy high in my opinion. Correctly vaporizing 25-35 mgs in my glass vaporgenie fully breaks me through every time. If I tried 65 in that rig I would black out.

I'm so glad you found this place and do hope you will chose to become an active member, to grow and extract your own entheogens in the future, etc. I encourage you to take a good look around as I sense you will find a lot here to help.

Again, a very warm welcome to you.

Thanks for the welcome. I have edited my prior post. Sorry about that!

As for my sitter, she was very warm-hearted and the look of terror was more along the lines of... that specific look of concern that no spouse could truly hide from the other. I feel that what I wrote could almost be construed as a misrepresentation. Her presence was comforting and appreciated.

I have spent many of the past waking hours scanning through the forums. What a wonderful community! I will definitely become an active member as I have so many questions and have been pouring over the teks.

Your advice concerning dosage will definitely be heeded in the future... however, I can't say that I have any regrets. What an awe inspiring and humbling introduction to power of spice. Next experience, I will be taking much, MUCH more consideration into set and setting. Thankfully I didn't completely forget about it the first time!

P.S. Anyone here go to Shambhala Music Festival in Salmo, B.C.? I'm situated not too far... I know there's at least one member of the Shambhala family here on the Nexus

Hehe you are not the only one who has experience a loop in time. It is indeed scary. Glad you are safe! Welcome.

Thank you! It is reassuring to know that I am not alone in having experienced this phenomenon. That comic strip was also oddly reassuring! hehe. Note that there are very, very slight differences between each panel.

...and thanks to you all for full membership! I am humbled

I've had a few time loops, but found the to be very interesting and fun, not scary at all.

I woud love to be able to appreciate it in the right head-space but generally there is too much accompanying anxiety.

Welcome Trufflz

The loop, ahh, been there a few times, first time was horrific, because i wasn't expecting that at all, i had just smoked some crazy herbs and in a few seconds i was in...

I was in the car with a few freinds doing bongs of some different mixed herbs.
None of them has experienced that, i was in the back seat taking some deep hits, when i raised my head, i saw them outside looking at me with some "wtf" face asking me what was wrong.

Then i closed my eyes, opened them and the exact same image and sounds... Same questions, same facial expressions.
Closed my eyes again, when i opened them, exactly the same thing. Over and over and over again.
I got scared cuz i couldn't snap out of it, in my mind that was all there was, those faces, that place, some laughing, some concerned, everything else about my life started to fade away, after a few mins i could not recognize them, i was looking at their faces but i didn't knew them, thats when my perception of reality started to invert, i remember believing that this reality was just an illusion and the one i was experiencing was the real one, everything that happened to me till that point was just an illusion, a mere attempt of my mind to keep me sane and off that neverending hell...

For me it lasted ~6 hours, i was exhausted, like i've been running the whole time, and then i looked at my watch, only about 30 mins had passed.

First time in a loop can be scary, second time i thought to myself, this is awesome, im in a loop again and i know it's a trip.

Now you know what's like to be in a loop, welcomeback, next time, keep it cool and remember, it's just a trip loop.