Anyone who is interested in the ancient megalithic sites and the ancient astronauts theory should give this a watch.

For me this really cleared up a lot of misconceptions I held about these sites and our past based on watching the ancient aliens series.



http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/

yea, i like having the website open while watching the show..

its pretty cool to see what could hold water and what can't.

I always suspected Ancient Aliens series to be fake. I liked it cuz they have big budgets and make graphically enjoying shows, but information-wise they suck.

"According to the ancient astronaut theory..." hahahaha

Thank you for posting this dreamer042.

Even though this video also sporadically makes certain assumptions, they always state when they do and that it could be different. I like how one by one they take apart the claims from Ancient Aliens and give a much better explanation together with sources and all.

I also learned some very interesting new things, like how they did make buildings in the past (cutting out big stones by stone-chopping them with harder stones, sand used to saw through granite, even knowledge of metallurgy and alloys to make stronger copper tools!) and that there is not one (!) crystal skull that is genuine, all are fake and that makes any theory on the crystal skulls completely irrelevant since there were none to begin with.

So again, thank you for posting.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

I'm not completely sold on Puma Punku yet.

I get that the stones are not diorite and granite, but I still don't see how an ancient culture could manufacture rope hoisting holes (~20 minutes in) or even manifold curves in and out of stones like they did...witch presumable as this author would like us to believe was done with simple stone hammers and hand made alloy chisels. I simply don't believe you get machined quality stone from hitting one stone with another stone by hand. Nope. Unless a group of people can get together and demonstrate in an irrefutable way that this can actually be done in a scale and fashion like the ancients did I won't believe it. Meaning get 50-100 people (fine do it with 200-500) together with nothing but stone tools and some die cast metal alloy and build me a megalithic temple with 600 TON stones. BTW you have to go find the metal and cast it yourself. Can't order it off ebay.

Sure I believe you could maybe manufacture one block with, sand and water as a cutting device, but I simply do not believe you can machine lines through an 8 feet long block with precision drilled holes. hell no. Show me. I want one of these academics to actually show me and the world how this is actually done. Not on a small 4"x4" block. I want to see it on an 8'x8' piece of stone...machine groves with drilled holes all the way through.

Then I want to see how you carve a manifold through a block with sand, water, and stone hammers, and alloy chisels. I'm tired of speculation. Time for the academics to bone up and prove it. It really is as simple as building us a temple or building us a pyramid with their supposed claims about how it's done...yet no one has done it. Sure they can sorta show how stones were moved with trees..sorta, but they dam sure aren't showing how you lift a 600TON block and put it into place. Much less how you fully construct something the size and magnitude of the pyramids in giza.

...not one block, but several blocks all matching in shape and size (which I also discount from this video as a few thousand years weathering of ANY rock wil change it's shape... So no I'm not sold on Puma Punku yet by a LONG shot.

Also, they may have used drawings and images, but this culture had no alphabet and certainly no mathematics. You don't machine stones without at least rudimentary math.

I'm not saying it was build by an aliens, but I'm saying current research on Puma Punku does not satisfy me at all.

I'll have to watch more later, but puma punku still stands as one of the most impressive sites I've seen. I also would not be so quick to fully discount the earlier dating....though I think 15000BC it probably incorrect, I also don't think 500AD is correct either. Remember you can't carbon date stone, they did this by carbon dating the soil under the rock...which could be soil under a stone that was toppled...and not the original soil in the middle of the temple.

Also how is it that the technology at Puma Punku resulted in more precisely engineered structures than cultures 100 years later in the same area?

Aliens or not, the ancient people did some AMAZING things even by today's standards. I think the problem a lot of us have is that academics want us to just be like, "Oh yeah the stone megaliths were built by a civilization that could barely communicate with written language, no math, and no alphabet and the simplest of tools.

These sites are the most amazing places on this planet. These people knew how to do things that have been completely lost to human kind. When was the last time a civilization built an structure like the pyramid? Oh sure we pour massive blocks these day's, but when was the last time we chisled a 600 ton block with rock hammers and hand made alloy chisels that was perfectly square (Yes I saw the evidence for the square...these blocks have been in the weather for at least 1500 years now) Answer? I don't think we ever did.


Puma Punku still stands, though I don't agree with the ancient alien guys either, as one of the most impressive sites on this planet based on what we know of the people inhabiting the region at the time.

That's the beauty of this video, you can check all the facts on their websites and get redirections to other independent sites. Besides that there is nothing stopping you to do a thorough fact checking yourself.
http://www.sciforums.com...punku-how-did-they-do-it
http://www.oocities.org/...n_stone_vase_making.html

Also the heavy stones have been heavily documented by the roman empire how they place and move those stones. They had good knowledge about hoisting and the use of (many) pulley's to move things in place.

Again, as explained in the video you can do all these fact checking yourself. One quick search gave me this interesting link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/...t_monoliths_in_the_world

Not only does it list the most heavy stones ever moved, it also lists with some link of them how they were moved with other sources listed as references. Also note that in 1768 the Russians moved a 1500ton stone with manpower alone, no animals and machines.

What I did not like about the video was the last half hour, he goes into the same assumptions and false dilemma's to coin theories. It was even so obvious that for a moment I thought it was just some test to do some fact checking yourself.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Regardless of whether this Ancient Astronaut theory has truly been debunked or not, I feel based on my personal experiences with DMT that I've gone into in length all about, and won't start up again here ( ) that I feel that there is something explicitly important regarding the Egyptian culture beyond the traditional Egyptological explanations (with a plethora of others here sharing in similar experiences) .

Additionally documentaries like "The Pyramid Code" and "The Revelation of the Pyramids" bring up a number of interesting data that I would like to see if this guy can try and debunk because it certainly is very convincing. Even if we know the physical mechanisms for how the pyramids were built, he has made no claims on the function. The common Egyptologist's explanation is that they were tombs for Pharaohs, yet not one Pharaoh has ever been found in an Egyptian pyramid. The sarcophagus in the "King's Chamber" in the Great Pyramid when it was found was sealed, and when it was opened, found to be empty. That's simply one element from those documentaries, but I would like to see if anyone can rationalize some of their claims because they really are and can be so alluring. So Ancient Aliens? Probably not...but I'm still swamped on a lot of it.

there is a number of unexplained aspects of ancient cultures that they never debunked at all. I wont get into all of that here, but the most strange aspects of places like Puma Punku are not debunked at all.

This was like a response to that ancient aliens show..which I was never into and that show never covered certain topics.

Anyone who knows much about the Pumu Punku area knows that the real mystery is who the people of Puma Punku even were, based on excavation in the area. That is where the strangest part of the place lies and something that has not been explained. All that people have to go on is certan archealogical remains, mostly skulls that are not homo sapien sapien. They differ from bound skulls found in other parts of the world, in that these skulls show no sign of being bound at all and have certain traits that a natural skull would have that is lacking in most of these skulls people find that are bound. They find them all around the area of cuzco..all of those sacred sites. Brien Foerster has done extensive work logging all of the sites, the skulls, bringing in doctors on video to view the skulls etc..the concensus is always that noone knows what the hell is going on with that whole area. Most places almost without exception with elongated skulls show blatent signs of them being bound-human skulls forced to grow that way. These skulls are different. I think they even went far enough as to analyze the teeth and conclude these "people" at lots of fish.

I dont think this guy is a fraud either..and it is not just him saying this. The guy is serious abotu DNA testing and is trying to get the money together somehow to get all of these things DNA tested at some point. He is not some rich anothropologist..he was just a wood carver from canada that got into studying ancient sites and ended up in peru. DNA testing like that is $..hopefully it happens at some point.

It does not mean they were aliens though..it's not hard to imagine offshoot hominid lines that died out. The skulls have a larger brain capacity than we do..which is also not seen in typical skull binding.

There is some artifacts that have been found both in south america and japan that match each other, which has led some to assume that many sites on the coast of peru were linked up t a larger pacific culture that had sophisticated sea travel, maps etc..

You can also go to museums in peru and see some of these skulls and bones that have been found at sites. Some of it is entirely public. Brien Foerster simply brought people over to cusco to see these things in person..I know at least one doctor has been over there, on his videos looking at them and being baffled. I dont see stuff like this being debunked.

Moving stones is also not the be all end all of the architecture of the area. They is way more going on and whoever and however Puma Punku was built, they had to of had sophisticated tools including drill bits etc that match what we have today in accuracy. This is just a fact..the whole thing about aliens is just really not the most interesting part..the most interesting part is that someone had that sort of knowledge back then.

Global
I felt compelled to point you towards Lucy Wyatt's book Approaching Chaos.
(If you have not read it already).
I saw an interview with her describing some fresh new views of the ways and means of the Ancients inc. What the Pyramids were 'actually' for and how they may have arisen. Alchemy, function of the chambers etc.
I immediately ordered a copy and it has just arrived...so I have yet to read it.
I think it may be right up your street....


edit: I remember her saying the chambers were for a lone ceremony lasting 3 days were the Pharaoh would trip out and 'die' (well you know) and if they came back they would bring back the knowledge for a further 40 years of 'Pharaohship'...till the next ceremonial trip...interesting stuff!

Also the Granite ceiling structure was designed for some sort of 'Alchemical' resonance during the trip...

"Not on a small 4"x4" block. I want to see it on an 8'x8' piece of stone...machine groves with drilled holes all the way through."

This is the problem with the rediculousness of claiming you have debunked something based on how the stones can be moved etc..without explaining other aspects..

The Nazca lines are another mystery that this reply to a TV series never debunked. Why is this guy claiming that debunking a mainstream TV series means he debunked something anyway? The real crazy aspects of some of these places was not really touched in that TV series..and lots of people who are into ancient contact ideas thought that TV series was stupid anyway. It was just Sitchenish..

It is easy to pick and choose what aspects you want to debunk when trying to claim you have debunked a whole idea..the reality is that if people want to debunbk all of this stuff they are going to have to put in some more effort and explain some other things..otherwise it is still just something that noone knows at this point.

I will get on that. It seems to me like it could be the world's most effective sensory deprivation chamber (the Great Pyramid anyway), among other things. With its complexity, I have to imagine it was designed to be quite multifunctional - the swiss army knife of ancient sites.

Trav, those are good points about the Russians moving the largest stone, my points were not so much about could they drag a stone, but more so about how did they actually manufacture precision machine drilled grooves with perfectly drilled holes in them? I looked at your links and I agree that core drilling can be done, but that is why I mentioned wanting to see it on a 8'X8' scale like:




Remember according to mainstream these people knew nothing of Egypt or Rome at the time...which I also think is pretty absurd based on the evidence.

BTW I'm not defending the ancient alien guy's. I like the fact that they brought a lot of 'fresh' ideas to the table, but they utterly discredit themselves with shit like hollow moons and the like.

Also I agree with Jamie, I think there are a lot of other very compelling theories about egypt and it's history. I for one do not think we have the full truth, based on any of the main stream theories yet.

This is what it's all about for me. Bringing these ideas out there and making people think about it. It's important for us to speculate about these things and begin to form an understanding, whatever that understanding may be.

This guy made a good job reproducing some monoliths in modern age. It is still unknown how he built and moved it but it is indeed impressive for one man to build it with so simple tools.

I invite you to check it out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr9U1cP68eU

Peace.

Dreamer042

Thank you so very much for sharing this video, the spreading of misinformation is incredibly dishonourable though I guess it does encourage constant analytical analysis of any information that you may come into contact with.

Which is something to be immensely grateful to those individuals for as it can only strengthen your sense of logic and conceptual understanding. Though I found a lot of the information to be sound that he presented I am not sure about everything that was discussed in the video to be completely valid and accurate.

Hence I will continue to question everything and to never except any concept or specific philosophy blindly, as soon as you do you succumb to a state of ignorance which is not constructive or conducive to personal growth or understanding.


Much Peace and Understanding

Do you have some reliable links to back this up?

One quick search gave me this:
http://www.clas.ufl.edu/.../index_files/Page398.htm
That page also contains a lot of references to other scientific publication.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...cial_cranial_deformation
Your usual wikipedia page.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

anyone interested in this area should really consider reading graham hancocks work fingerprints of the gods and underworld and listen to his talks on the subject. Hes drawn together more important connections than anyone else in this area and his logic is very sound

(and no, he doesn't support the ancient alien idea)

Universecannon

I couldn't agree with you more... I have a great amount of respect for Graham Hancocks work, he has an incredible amount of character and is definitely an intellectual force to be reckoned with.


Much Peace and Compassion

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this.
graham hancock is awesome.
he was on one episode of ancient aliens, but nothing he said implied aliens.

i love his work on moses.