[img:cc04f1aba0]http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p215/mrmojorisin4388/HPIM0540.jpg[/img:cc04f1aba0] does anyone know if any of these are spice like phalaris???

Photo is blurred but I would say that the middle one look likes a arundinacea

ill go to the place and take better pictures tomarrow

definately not the middle one, the bottom one maybe if its head is damaged and the birds have eaten some of it. the head of the grass should look like in this picture. http://www.explorebiodiv...cs/reed-canary-grass.jpg the ornamental grass you see in the picture below is a variety of the same grass. this ornamental variety is said to have more alkoloids and is super easy to identify. you can actually see pink stripes in the white section of leaf, the pink color apparently comes from the alkoloids. it should be flowering right now so if you can find a patch of this ornamental grass check the head on it and once you have seen it you will have no problem identifying its natural sibling. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/...is_arundinaer-fleece.jpg

[quote:c928c3185e]head of the grass should look like in this picture. [/quote:c928c3185e] No, what you show comes from Phalaris grass plant, while I guessed he search to identify Phalaris arundinacea (?). Both are living in my region and I can now identfy them quite well. As for Arundo Donax and Phramite Australis which I first confused.

[quote:015ec24407]No, what you show comes from Phalaris grass plant[/quote:015ec24407] isn't that what hes trying to identify? phalaris "grass plant" is phalaris arundinacea. aka canary grass or in the case of the ornamental variety "gardeners garters"

What is seen on your link is a "phalaris aquatica" (check google pictures with that name). Phalaris aquatica is also known to own some alkaloids. SWIM tried some extraction with 600 g and ended with... nothing, well, except if 50 mg of brown oily goo is something.

There is definitely some confusion here. First of all, there isn't anything called "phalaris grass plant". Phalaris is a genus of grass, in this sense, all species of phalaris are a "grass plant", but no single one of these is just called "phalaris grass plant". Secondly, that plant in the middle is certainly [b:c948e15601]not[/b:c948e15601] phalaris arundinacea!!!! Here's a good pic of the phalaris arundinacea inflorescence: [img:c948e15601]http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1210/img7045strippedlz6.th.jpg[/img:c948e15601] and see the phalaris arundinacea image vault at erowid: http://www.erowid.org/pl...is/phalaris_images.shtml If any, then the third plant is the [i:c948e15601]only[/i:c948e15601] candidate, but it's not usually possible to identify a grass just from a picture of it's inflorescence--you need characteristics of the leaves and stalk, etc.--and certainly not when the picture is out of focus! -z

I found some more photos here : http://sophy.u-3mrs.fr/photohtm/SI7043.HTM Note the latest one, the inflorescence is widely open and it looks pretty different than when it is 'closed'. Indeed difficult to distinguish from other species.

i would also like to try an extraction of this plant.you never know one day it may be our only source any kind of spice if the government dont stop banning things.apart from mistletoe that is as ive read its also got the goods.

By doing an extraction with P.A you will undoubtly train your abilities to extracting things... but do not expect anything usable. SWIM did an extraction with 2 kg of fresh plants and ended with 150 mg of brown wax (pretty close to what ones may find in ones ears ). He did not dare to smoke more than a tiny hit... that was enough to make his lungs unconfortable for 2 days. Of course he felt no psychedelic effects. But well, there are probably many different strains of plants and maybe you could have more luck.

yes garulfo ive read of a lot of folk who have had simmilar experiences as yourself,and also you say maybe it was the strain thet you have used.ther seems to be a lot of talk out ther about phalaris use-ability,but it seems to me that only the few folk,like yourself actually try an extraction.i hope to pick some phalaris soon as i have identified it in my area.i hope i have a better strain as surely all the talk about this plant cant be hype.

Guralfo, you must have found the wrong plant. Phalaris aquatica is actually very strong compared to arundinacea, and should yield much more than what you described. I have taken around 100-200 flower tops of it in a tea, together with a low dose b-carbolines, and had quite a good number of nice, mellow trips from it. I think you have done a mistake in your identification, just as you weirdly enough thought that the middle one in the picture was arundinacea (it does not look like that at all...).

Oh... Didn't realize this thread was that old.

lol, that's quite a bump

I recently found out that phalaris arundinacea and phragmites australis (another common wetland grass) grows pretty much everywhere where I live as a precaution for erosion near rivers and canals and such. The only problem is that there are varying opinions about how psychoactive the grass is, if it hasn't been stressed alot then it contains less tryptamines and so on, and there is more 5-MEO and 5-HO then there is NN-DMT.

Aside from that, every extraction I have read comes up with the end product as a yellowish / greenish (nasty) waxy goo... not pretty white crystals... And with both grasses, there are TONS of fats to deal with.

If anyone knows of a fool proof tek that works, I'll collect some samples and have SWIM test it today!

STB FASA precipitation.... will give you crystals of salts of the alkaloids then one can freebase them. This deals with the problem of the fats and oils....