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Do you percieve the godhead as more masculine or feminine? Options
 
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#21 Posted : 1/20/2013 7:14:31 AM

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#22 Posted : 1/20/2013 7:40:55 AM

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Yeah I don't understand why members need to be so rude to other members here the OP was a harmless inquisition and while there may have been slight naivity I find it a little off putting the way his words are being attacked in such a demeaning way. Oly, the OP did not for a second suggest that he/she thought god had a gender, in fact it was clearly outlined that they believed the contrary when they said quote "I usually argue with people that the word 'God' is inherently wrong, because it is masculine, and the source of all of us would not be masculine, it would be equally masculine and feminine.".. he/she also clearly outlines that they don't think a god could have genitals either as you seem to suggest they do.

I do actually agree with your views, but the way you talked to him is just rude and kind of uncalled for considering the wording of the post... it seems like you took the post very personally when really they just wanted to hear other's experience on the matter

Fair enough, that's not my intention. i re-read the whole thread and can see it from both sides. I took the reply of questioning what other spiritual views hold a feminine creator, when I feel its quite apparent there are many, as condescending. I apologize to the Op if this was misinterpreted and I apologize if my words caused offense.
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#23 Posted : 1/20/2013 7:49:10 AM

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thanks for clearing up Smile

yeah i just think its good to remember everyone here has varying knowledge on these matters, just because the OP was not aware of there being feminine deities in other religions does not mean they have ill spiritual views. Now they know! Smile

 
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#24 Posted : 1/20/2013 7:51:00 AM

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Fair enough, that's not my intention. i re-read the whole thread and can see it from both sides. I took the reply of questioning what other spiritual views hold a feminine creator, when I feel its quite apparent there are many, as condescending. I apologize to the Op if this was misinterpreted and I apologize if my words caused offense.


That is very fair and very mature of your oly mon.

I am impressed at how professional this disagreement has been dealt with from both sides! ... as an Englishman I think all sides need a good pat on the back and a loud belly shaking Bravo to be cheered by all who read it!


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#25 Posted : 1/20/2013 7:54:33 AM

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wow..this is why I dont really want to discuss this sort of stuff around here any long. It gets more unfriendly every day.
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#26 Posted : 1/20/2013 7:59:31 AM

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acacian wrote:
thanks for clearing up Smile

yeah i just think its good to remember everyone here has varying knowledge on these matters, just because the OP was not aware of there being feminine deities in other religions does not mean they have ill spiritual views. Now they know! Smile


No thank you both, WE are all human and all need to be called out on our Sh#t. Thanks for pointing this out. Sorry yall. Wink
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#27 Posted : 1/20/2013 8:32:49 AM

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The first time meeting the "godhead" while undergoing this human experience it was without gender or form, an infinite expanse, the push/pull of all and everything. Near impossible to describe properly with human language. There are other entities, what some would call deities, or gods that reside in lesser planes. At the base level though everything is everything, and there is no "nothing".
 
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#28 Posted : 1/20/2013 3:16:52 PM
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olympus mon wrote:
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a1pha wrote:
By "God" you are referring to the Abrahamic god, right? Many religions other than the Abrahamic ones consider "God" to be more feminine than masculine, or both masculine and feminine, in the same embodiment. Think yin/yang or masculine/feminine.

Sounds like you are limiting your question to your cultural influences rather than a more global view.


What religion puts the word 'God' in a feminine context?

When I use the word 'God' I am more referring to modern Christian and Catholic interpretations of the word, which place the word as inherently masculine.

Its not the original post that got me engaged ...its this response that brought out the tiger.Very happy

But.., I will conceded you may be correct. I hope the Op finds a better understanding than what they hold. That being only a masculine Christian idea of God.
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you're presenting a more protestant view of God, the Catholic trinity is more akin to say the kaballa sephiroth, steps of the divine though all are considered equal.the son is divinity in man, god in the mortal plane, the father is overseer and protector, but certainly not considered an old man in the sky by any Catholic priest I know, then there is the holy ghost, the purest form unadulterated holiness, which I'd say it's equivalent to the godhead you speak of.the only aspect of God in Catholicism with human form is the son and its only after he sheds that that he can actually ascend and become ruler of heaven.

I think there is quite a bit to be said for Catholic mysticism, it's a very complex system with roots as old as any other, it's an evolution of Jewish mysticism.

it's also of interest to note the movement from the mother goddess, an archetype of the creator and nurturer towards a father a protector and guide as a culture and religion grows. I do Think it a misnomer to call Catholicism a new religion, while as a whole it is a new religion it wasn't until while after its inception that Christianity was thought of as significantly different enough to not just be considered a Judaic cult.and when not thought of in that context it's a religion with very old ties.and many valid spiritual ideas.

I think Catholicism gets a bad rep due to some very vocal dicks trying to hurt other people because they don't want to upset the power structure of the church they're near the top of. there are however many groups in the church which are much more progressive on human rights.the nuns of America are currently under Vatican investigation for that, and there are many bishops and even cardinals that side with nuns.

as far as my personal thoughts I'd say that God as the understandable projection(the father) is whatever you need or perceive it to be(male, female, genderless), then God as the godhead(the holy spirit) is beyond gender or easy comprehension
 
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infinitynlove wrote:
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I wouldn't think of godhead as having any gender. I can't imagine it would.


its simply a big no, and if he did and he had sex, any spare cum that went astray would cause havoc, maybe that's what comments are? mini balls of male god head cum that calcified flying though space after missing his concubines face...

in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Then he came and bam, comments!

ill stop ....

Just kidding ;-)

Infinitylove is an awesome addition to this forum. Keep it up. Smile
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#30 Posted : 1/20/2013 7:45:52 PM

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#31 Posted : 1/21/2013 12:31:26 AM

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#32 Posted : 1/21/2013 1:01:19 AM
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a1pha wrote:
dio wrote:
What religion puts the word 'God' in a feminine context?

Many do and even more consider them to be equal, or two sides of the same coin. Some that come to mind are paganism, hinduism, taoism, jainism, etc.


I wasn't aware these things used the word 'God' at all, or if they did they have a counterpart word 'Goddess'? I am actually well-versed in hiduism, taoism, buddhism, yoga and forms of paganism related to magick.

I should clarify when I say 'God' I am not referring to the concept of God, the infinite source. I am referring to exactly the use of that word 'God', and religious texts that actually have the word 'God' printed in them.
 
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#33 Posted : 1/21/2013 1:11:17 AM
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olympus mon wrote:
To the OP. what are you asking? Are you asking those that have experienced the Godhead type being if it had gender? Do some ask if this impossible form of being or consciousness have a vagina or a set of testicles?

I phrase this in a way that may raise a chuckle among readers. Are you are asking what gender a being that is clearly not possible to exist in our reality to have a gender that our reality understands and relys upon for definition. This is short sighted to me and demands other reality's to bow a knee to our misogynistic human society.

Is it easier to picture a butterfly as feminine but a scaly komodo dragon as masculine? Do not both exist in this reality?

Now, to perceive your speaking of an Abrahamic God concept being the God head is to fully not understand this experience. If your still asking yourself questions about a grey bearded Catholic father of Jesus, then you why even conceive of the God head let alone whether it has gender?
Ok, so maybe your asking did it have male or female energy.

In fact it sounds short sighted the second you entered your ideas backed by the Catholic concept of God to question under those pretenses about an alternate understanding of a creative being. Trying to understand the God-head while still clinging on to this dogmatic version of God but not understanding other cultures female version of God is self defeating.

Yes Iv'e experienced the God head as have many here, that which is accepted in the nexus type definition, and its a life changing experience.

Not because you are asking about the God head openly, but because you write off the ideas of a female god from other established and much older cultures as christaianity and insert a big man in the sky Catholic deity idea.


Woah woah, you misunderstand me entirely.

I'm not catholic or clinging to a christian god or even the word god at all.

Actually the premise of me making this thread was because, when I encounter a Christian who wants to discuss this, I tell them, you should not use the word 'God' because it is inherently masculine and any infinite source would not carry a gender.

Then I thought about that for a moment, and wanted to know if anyone else who has 'been there' also percieves the thing as genderless.

Also, the question about what religions put the word 'God' in a feminine context was not a question about what spiritual views have feminine principle as the source of existence. I am actually very well read in hinduism, buddhism, taoism, yoga and alot of occult paganism. What I was referring to with that question was specifically about the word 'God', not the concept of God. I am aware of all the differing contexts of concepts of God. What I was inquiring about is whether any religion in their texts, uses the exact word 'God', printed in their texts, in a feminine context. As things like Hinduism or Taoism have feminine or genderless deitic principles, but they don't use the word 'God' to describe it. In anything I've read the word 'God' is inherently masculine, I am not aware of any books which use the word as inherently feminine, typically there is the counterpart 'Goddess' to decribe that.
 
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#34 Posted : 1/21/2013 1:26:00 AM


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dio wrote:
I wasn't aware these things used the word 'God' at all, or if they did they have a counterpart word 'Goddess'? I am actually well-versed in hiduism, taoism, buddhism, yoga and forms of paganism related to magick.

No, they might not use the word 'God' or 'Goddess' but they have archetypal forms which represent the feminine. The pagans call it 'Mother Earth,' the hindi 'Shakti' or 'Great Goddess' and the taoist 'yang'. All words trying to describe something indescribable.

If you're well versed in these then why aren't you teaching differing views of the feminine instead of questioning the masculine?

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Actually the premise of me making this thread was because, when I encounter a Christian who wants to discuss this, I tell them, you should not use the word 'God' because it is inherently masculine and any infinite source would not carry a gender.

Ahh, I see where you're going. I learned a long time ago to use the word 'Universe' instead of the word 'God' because it is all-encompassing and carries no negative connotation.
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#35 Posted : 1/21/2013 1:47:27 AM

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[quote=dio]
Ahh, I see where you're going. I learned a long time ago to use the word 'Universe' instead of the word 'God' because it is all-encompassing and carries no negative connotation.



hehe, yeah I learnt that one too.. using the word god is usually stigmatised to christianity and is unknowingly personified by the person listening. Universe is broader and can't really be argued as much Pleased
 
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..'godhead' shouldn't be confused with 'god' as far as terms go..

in experience, i think people on the whole, if perceiving a gender aspect, perceive the opposite of their own gender if looking 'outwards' and the same if looking 'in'..
but that's trying to statistically generalise a bunch of different peoples' very subjective experiences..
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..'godhead' shouldn't be confused with 'god' as far as terms go..

in experience, i think people on the whole, if perceiving a gender aspect, perceive the opposite of their own gender if looking 'outwards' and the same if looking 'in'..
but that's trying to statistically generalise a bunch of different peoples' very subjective experiences..
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I wonder if (from a "distance" at which gender can be perceived) it is perceived as the gender the observer is attracted to.

But I agree that while God and godhead may or may not be synonymous, the term God can certainly cause a personification in the mind of the reader moreso than the less known/defined term godhead.
The concept of God tends to have a predefined shape in the minds people because it is so often encountered. The concept of a godhead is, personally, I term I had not come across until psychedelics so it was a concept that I had to build from the ground up, so to speak.
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#38 Posted : 1/21/2013 2:56:49 AM

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I'd say neither masculine nor feminine attributes, but it just keeps turning like a cog...

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olympus mon wrote:
Yes Iv'e experienced the God head as have many here

i wonder how many people experience the "God head", and whether the percentage varies over time, and if so what pattern the graph would have over the last 10,000 years?
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I'd say neither masculine nor feminine attributes, but it just keeps turning like a cog...

Yeah I know, it's boring Razz


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