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Do you percieve the godhead as more masculine or feminine? Options
 
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#1 Posted : 1/20/2013 1:50:15 AM
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I usually argue with people that the word 'God' is inherently wrong, because it is masculine, and the source of all of us would not be masculine, it would be equally masculine and feminine.

My perception of the godhead, or purusa to be more exact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purusha , I have never percieved it as a gender, or even as having any formed genitals.

I am just curious to know if anyone else shares this perception.
 

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#2 Posted : 1/20/2013 1:53:09 AM


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By "God" you are referring to the Abrahamic god, right? Many religions other than the Abrahamic ones consider "God" to be more feminine than masculine, or both masculine and feminine, in the same embodiment. Think yin/yang or masculine/feminine.

Sounds like you are limiting your question to your cultural influences rather than a more global view.
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#3 Posted : 1/20/2013 1:56:03 AM
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a1pha wrote:
By "God" you are referring to the Abrahamic god, right? Many religions other than the Abrahamic ones consider "God" to be more feminine than masculine, or both masculine and feminine, in the same embodiment. Think yin/yang or masculine/feminine.

Sounds like you are limiting your question to your cultural influences rather than a more global view.


What religion puts the word 'God' in a feminine context?

When I use the word 'God' I am more referring to modern Christian and Catholic interpretations of the word, which place the word as inherently masculine.
 
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#4 Posted : 1/20/2013 1:56:11 AM

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IMO, the Godhead has no specific form, yet, it exists equally within all forms. Immanent and transcendent, both. No anthropomorphic deification can come close to it's infinite nature, so we are clearly making a big departure from the old biblical male ego god. Purusha is a good way of idealizing, in conceptual terms, this unified field of limitless consciousness.

dio, the wiki link doesn't connect to anything. These two are fairly descent explanations of Purusha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purusha_sukta#Purusha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purusha
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#6 Posted : 1/20/2013 2:07:40 AM

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#7 Posted : 1/20/2013 2:09:15 AM


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dio wrote:
What religion puts the word 'God' in a feminine context?

Many do and even more consider them to be equal, or two sides of the same coin. Some that come to mind are paganism, hinduism, taoism, jainism, etc.

dio wrote:
When I use the word 'God' I am more referring to modern Christian and Catholic interpretations of the word, which place the word as inherently masculine.

Yes, both Christianity and Catholicism are Abrahamic. Islam and Judaism also fall under this category. Also, it is a mistake to separate "Christian and Catholic" since Catholicism is a subset of Christianity, and therefor all Catholics are Christian.
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#8 Posted : 1/20/2013 2:21:14 AM

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Hi there

I believe that God in a religious context as described by many religions, does not exist.

God as in a universal consciousness, the prime creator or first cause, true infinity in the words of the late great bill hicks "we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is just a dream and we are an imagination of our self"

Then I think God in the later context is beyond description, gender, any name, any form.

I believe that all one can do is experience the godhead or God for oneself (through whatever path or practice), then belief is cast aside and replaced with experience and then knowing.

I have come to feel this way through meditation, but this is just my experience and I could be totally wrong Smile

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#9 Posted : 1/20/2013 2:31:19 AM
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I was raised Catholic and I gotta say I was never thought to think of God as masculine, I was surprised when I read that you interpreted it as such. of the trinity only the son has an ascribed sex. I guess they say the father but it always felt very powerful and above gender. obviously my interpretation is based on my parish and family, but I've never considered good a gendered being.

my personal views on what a good might be are more akin to a memetic quantum swirl just a further reality which this and infinite others are spawned from.

similar to that Bill hicks quote
 
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#10 Posted : 1/20/2013 3:12:34 AM

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#11 Posted : 1/20/2013 3:27:12 AM

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I would say the godhead is both (I'm the "glass half-full" type), it is not certain.
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#12 Posted : 1/20/2013 5:01:24 AM

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I personally have never perceived any genitals of any entities in hyperspace, yet that doesn't stop me from making assumptions on their gender. To answer your question, for me, it's a matter of perspective in the most literal way I can express. That is to say, when I am perceiving the godhead, it has been my observation, that my dimensional perspective in relation to the godhead affects its appearance. If I view it from one plane, it can appear a certain way. If my angle shifts multidimensionally, so too does the godhead change form. I've had encounters with it where it has been perceived as more masculine, other times as more feminine, and yet other times as neutral. It's quite easy to say "both", but if I'm being honest here with both myself as well as all of you, I perceive the godhead predominantly as a masculine figure. It can tend to have this booming thunderous voice.

I can also understand a1pha's sentiment as the godhead in a feminine context, as symbolically and mythologically it is very much the feminine archetype, particularly as expressed in the religions a1pha mentioned. If you look into the archetype of the feminine, it may become more clear as to why, but I suggest some research.
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#13 Posted : 1/20/2013 5:20:32 AM

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To say that god head, the ultimate creative force, has a sex then it makes it less than infinite, as one sex has its opposite meaning it exists along with something else outside of its self to have sex with in some form, creating a division in some form, making the god head finite.

At a lower level of play that may be the truth, but ultimately the highest true state of being, one of infinity, cannot have a sex, hence why we can, its experiencing sex through us subjectively .

I believe its the same as naming the god head or whatever you want to call it, ( i like the creating force of all that is and all that isn't and all that can be and all that cannot be ... ) to name it is to create something smaller, something tangible to us mere finite mortals, a name, a sex, anthropomorphizing infinity into something more manageable and believable.

But the dichotomy is that we can only do the above, as we are unable to conceive infinity! even the best meditation / spiritual experience or the most out there drug exp cannot really convey true infinity (albeit pretty close!) so we personify the god head in a nice manageable way based on our experiences, beliefs and teachings.

We humans are quite cute really Smile
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#14 Posted : 1/20/2013 6:49:00 AM

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To the OP. what are you asking? Are you asking those that have experienced the Godhead type being if it had gender? Do some ask if this impossible form of being or consciousness have a vagina or a set of testicles?

I phrase this in a way that may raise a chuckle among readers. Are you are asking what gender a being that is clearly not possible to exist in our reality to have a gender that our reality understands and relys upon for definition. This is short sighted to me and demands other reality's to bow a knee to our misogynistic human society.

Is it easier to picture a butterfly as feminine but a scaly komodo dragon as masculine? Do not both exist in this reality?

Now, to perceive your speaking of an Abrahamic God concept being the God head is to fully not understand this experience. If your still asking yourself questions about a grey bearded Catholic father of Jesus, then you why even conceive of the God head let alone whether it has gender?
Ok, so maybe your asking did it have male or female energy.

In fact it sounds short sighted the second you entered your ideas backed by the Catholic concept of God to question under those pretenses about an alternate understanding of a creative being. Trying to understand the God-head while still clinging on to this dogmatic version of God but not understanding other cultures female version of God is self defeating.

Yes Iv'e experienced the God head as have many here, that which is accepted in the nexus type definition, and its a life changing experience.

Not because you are asking about the God head openly, but because you write off the ideas of a female god from other established and much older cultures as christaianity and insert a big man in the sky Catholic deity idea.









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I wouldn't think of godhead as having any gender. I can't imagine it would.
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Some good points Smile

But go easy on him / her... ignorance and pre conditioning lead him / her to this belief and then he asks a silly question based on lack of understanding, maybe the points raised here will cause greater research and an opening of the mind?

Who knows Smile

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I wouldn't think of godhead as having any gender. I can't imagine it would.


its simply a big no, and if he did and he had sex, any spare cum that went astray would cause havoc, maybe that's what comments are? mini balls of male god head cum that calcified flying though space after missing his concubines face...

in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Then he came and bam, commets!

ill stop ....

Just kidding ;-)
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dio wrote:
a1pha wrote:
By "God" you are referring to the Abrahamic god, right? Many religions other than the Abrahamic ones consider "God" to be more feminine than masculine, or both masculine and feminine, in the same embodiment. Think yin/yang or masculine/feminine.

Sounds like you are limiting your question to your cultural influences rather than a more global view.


What religion puts the word 'God' in a feminine context?

When I use the word 'God' I am more referring to modern Christian and Catholic interpretations of the word, which place the word as inherently masculine.

Its not the original post that got me engaged ...its this response that brought out the tiger.Very happy

But.., I will conceded you may be correct. I hope the Op finds a better understanding than what they hold. That being only a masculine Christian idea of God.
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Yeah I don't understand why members need to be so rude to other members here the OP was a harmless inquisition and while there may have been slight naivity I find it a little off putting the way his words are being attacked in such a demeaning way. Oly, the OP did not for a second suggest that he/she thought god had a gender, in fact it was clearly outlined that they believed the contrary when they said quote "I usually argue with people that the word 'God' is inherently wrong, because it is masculine, and the source of all of us would not be masculine, it would be equally masculine and feminine.".. he/she also clearly outlines that they don't think a god could have genitals either as you seem to suggest they do.

I do actually agree with your views, but the way you talked to him is just rude and kind of uncalled for considering the wording of the post... it seems like you took the post very personally when really they just wanted to hear other's experience on the matter
 
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infinitynlove wrote:
nicechrisman wrote:
I wouldn't think of godhead as having any gender. I can't imagine it would.


its simply a big no, and if he did and he had sex, any spare cum that went astray would cause havoc, maybe that's what comments are? mini balls of male god head cum that calcified flying though space after missing his concubines face...

in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Then he came and bam, comments!

ill stop ....

Just kidding ;-)

Laughing Classic!, Thx for the levity.
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