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skinwalker
#1 Posted : 1/8/2013 7:53:35 PM

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Perhaps a dumb question, but just curious if the chemical reaction in our bodies somehow interacts or influences the particles which make us up? Or if they possess the potential to influence on the quantum level? Specificaly i'm looking for anything which may alter our qubit encoded information on what makes us up
 

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#2 Posted : 1/8/2013 10:42:03 PM

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Yes, any chemical reaction in your body is affecting and influencing particles which make you up. WHICH particles and HOW are a very complicated, and very specific sort of questions. Yes, they can also affect things at a "quantum level" (this is happening all the time) but that again is a huge umbrella for a whole slew of different scenarios and variables. What I'm saying is, current cutting-edge scientists would also love to be able to answer your questions, but they are pretty vague questions. People still disagree as to where, how, and exactly what goes on in the brain on DMT, and whether or not consciousness is qubit-based

If you haven't already, check into Stuart Hammeroff and Orcherstrated Objective Reduction (Orch-OR) theory for a lot of good research into the potential quantum nature of consciousness
 
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#3 Posted : 1/9/2013 1:58:01 AM

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I currently believe in and support a Simulated Reality Hypothesis theory. I'm beginning to heavily consider that reality is computer generated and the more i read about quantum theory the more i'm conconvinced on this possability. If consciousness is made up of qubits and you say that DMT does have the chemical potential to react with individual particles (which are actually just containers of this qubit info of 1's and 0's). Then I theorize that by taking DMT we are actually severely disrupting the encoded programs to those particles causing consciousness to malfuntion and possibly break out of the simulation into various alternative realities. Thank you for the lead, i want to read as much as i can as I'm attempting to merge quantum proven realities with this simulation theory, and how DMT possibly hacks the system... (similiar to the cookie or red pill in the matrix). Its possibly overriding preprogramed encoded perception limitations on the individual.
 
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#4 Posted : 1/9/2013 2:31:44 AM

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I think you're generalizing too much, -any- chemical reaction has effects which occur at a "quantum level", simply because that is how (scientific research currently tells us) electrons behave. By that logic and yours, you might say table salt could destabilize consciousness.

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Its possibly overriding preprogramed encoded perception limitations on the individual.


I absolutely agree that DMT has the potential to do this, and won't deny the possibility that our reality simulated, but I'm not too sold on your theory. Are you suggesting every particle in your body functions as a qubit (1, 0, or both simultaneously - 3 states) to store information? What would distinguish a 1 from a 0, and how would computation occur?
 
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#5 Posted : 1/9/2013 3:07:57 AM

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nwosidsalp wrote:
I think you're generalizing too much, -any- chemical reaction has effects which occur at a "quantum level", simply because that is how (scientific research currently tells us) electrons behave. By that logic and yours, you might say table salt could destabilize consciousness.

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Its possibly overriding preprogramed encoded perception limitations on the individual.


I absolutely agree that DMT has the potential to do this, and won't deny the possibility that our reality simulated, but I'm not too sold on your theory. Are you suggesting every particle in your body functions as a qubit (1, 0, or both simultaneously - 3 states) to store information? What would distinguish a 1 from a 0, and how would computation occur?



your asking some very good questions that frankly I'm no where near qualified to answer. I'm more asking questions to see if their is any support to my suspecions. Also i just read about the theory you recommended. INTERESTING READ, extremely complicated, and had to reread a few times but very interesting. Here was a recent article i read that furuther supported my hunch.

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Dr. S. James Gates, Jr., a theoretical physicist, the John S. Toll Professor of Physics at the University of Maryland, and the Director of The Center for String & Particle Theory, is reporting that certain string theory, super-symmetrical equations, which describe the fundamental nature of the Universe and reality, contain embedded computer codes. These codes are digital data in the form of 1′s and 0′s. Not only that, these codes are the same as what make web browsers work and are error-correction codes! Gates says, “We have no idea what these ‘things’ are doing there”.

Gates discloses in the second video below, as an aside in a formal interview, that some of his research can be interpreted that we do live in a virtual reality. He describes this as “mind-blowing” and similar to the movie “The Matrix”! Further, he adds, that if someone suspected they did live in a virtual reality, then detecting computer codes would be a way to confirm. He concludes with finding these computer codes in equations that describe our world: “that’s what I just proposed!”.

What to make of this? There are two issues: 1) if String Theory will ultimately be a viable and therefore proven model of reality and 2) if so, whether embedded coding is in fact within the related verified equations. Michio Kaku has stated “String Theory Is the Only Game in Town” because it is the only testable theory available.

We have argued on this website that the Universe is a virtual reality. If true, then any theory of reality should eventually confirm this, if the theory has staying power and does not succumb to an early death. Accordingly, time is on the side of the simulation hypothesis to be verified first through theory and then via experiments in the long-run. Technology to provide the means to test that the Universe is a virtual reality is the next step.

Strange Computer Code Discovered Concealed In Superstring Equations! “Doubly-even self-dual linear binary error-correcting block code,” first invented by Claude Shannon in the 1940′s, has been discovered embedded WITHIN the equations of superstring theory! Why does nature have this? What errors does it need to correct? What is an ‘error’ for nature? More importantly what is the explanation for this freakish discovery? Your guess is as good as mine.

if you search on youtube you can watch the corresponding video. I also learned that individuals particles can be viewed as qubits storing data as 1's and 0's (in another article i read...lack the source at the moment). Then i combined my DMT experiences and began to wonder how this drug really effects outside of just a toxicology level, if there is a quantum disruption caused by the dmt molecule that alters the preprogrammed possible constraints on seperation of this simulated reality from another layer of reality.
 
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#6 Posted : 1/9/2013 3:10:24 AM

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For example, if one particle, such as an electron, is switching from one quantum state to another, it may be the same as if a bit is changed from one value (0, say) to the other (1). A single bit suffices to describe a single quantum switch of a given particle. As the universe appears to be composed of elementary particles whose behavior can be completely described by the quantum switches they undergo, that implies that the universe as a whole can be described by bits. Every state is information, and every change of state is a change in information (requiring the manipulation of one or more bits). Setting aside dark matter and dark energy, which are poorly understood at present, the known universe consists of about 1080 protons and the same number of electrons. Hence, the universe could be simulated by a computer capable of storing and manipulating about 1090 bits. If such a simulation is indeed the case, then hypercomputation would be impossible.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_physics
 
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#7 Posted : 1/9/2013 3:37:00 AM

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I think an important question to ask is what exactly do you mean by virtual, what are the characteristics of that and how is that different from "real", or is it? If you ask me, the reality we perceive is absolutely virtual, in that it's all constructed out of pure sense input in our brains. That's not to say though, that our brains are entirely responsible for "us" necessarily. No matter what theory of physics you subscribe to, it is essentially agreed that the fundamental unit of everything is energy, that all we know and can perceive is made up of widely varied patterns/arrangements of it. It is essentially an insane system of information flow, one that we can barely comprehend by comparing it to the pale-by-comparison human invention called the computer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw9Jo5qNCsQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXFFbxoHp3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAVQjMf2fEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed9nZXrOaMk

I'm not completely sold on this guy either, but he's a smart cookie and after a lot of looking into it (from a biochemistry background) I think it's one of the more legit consciousness theories out there
 
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#8 Posted : 1/9/2013 3:46:34 AM

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my point being is i'm having a hard time understanding how DMT so dramatically disrupts the neural information transer. Why it differs so drastically regarding its effect on consciousness in comparison to any other drug. Is there support on a quantum level that it is altering the juxtaposition of our particles or possibly somehow causing them to leap between dimensions, or is this all fantasy silly talk? I believe physicists have taken the mathmatical reality of multiple dimensions now to a accepted theoretical level and are testing it's validity at CERN.
 
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#9 Posted : 1/9/2013 4:00:35 AM

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Yes, physicists are doing those things, but biology is just getting into quantum things in a big way recently. It's unknown how any of these drugs produce the actual changes in conscious experience, and so far only speculation and not-yet-accepted theories like Orch-OR exist as to how consciousness itself arises. That's one of THE questions of science. We know where these chemicals bind in the brain, and what those receptors are generally used for, and we can do some simulations with neurons in vitro, but in general the brain is simply a ridiculously complex system that we have only begun to penetrate with hard science. The trouble with these things is that unless you know the nitty-gritty details of many different disciplines (neuroscience, molecular biology, computation, quantum physics to name a few) it is easy to be satisfied by a theory which doesn't survive under the light of all of them
 
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#10 Posted : 1/9/2013 4:16:44 AM
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..CERN is a big instrument for detecting/measuring sub-atomic and other phenomena..

the Brain is, in part, an elaborate sensory tool..

another concept of what DMT (& other tryptamines i might add) may do is allow observation of other energy levels..beyond the photon, and into the quantum-realm..
observation and calculation of Probability (which Is reality, no? )

in some ways a tool like like a microscope, computer, or particle-accelarator are simply extensions of the human brain and mind..

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