Whats up guys, thanks in advance for your input.

A few hours ago, I had a frightening experience. I've smoked cannabis three times in the last 5 or 6 months. This evening, I smoked a joint of mids I got from a guy I did construction with. After about 15 minutes, I began to feel on the verge of an OBE.

I used to smoke much stronger bud every day in college, and never had any OBE experience or feelings of anxiety. My last spice experience was several months ago. I have broken through with spice a dozen times, and have felt almost total relaxation during voyages...

But tonight was different. I felt as though I were being beckoned by another individual, to visit it on the other side so to speak. At first I was eager and willing to go, as I have been trying hard to astral project and lucid dream lately, as well as reading about the Akashic Records, and ways of accessing them (Rudolf Steiner: Knowledge of Higher Worlds, Ervin Laszlo: The Akashic Experience) so I had been setting strong intentions and taking other steps to have an experience like this for several weeks, despite not really knowing if such a thing is possible.

As I "surrendered" and focused my energy on ( what I think is) the pineal gland, I began to experience the chrysanthemum and hear the encroaching high pitched buzzing just like I do with spice. I felt an impending paralysis. I got scared and tried to come back down, but I no longer had control. I felt strongly that I was being forcibly abducted against my will. It was antagonistic. As I tried harder to resist, I felt a physical pulling sensation in my brain, and it hurt. My heart rate shot up to at least 180, and led to hyperventilating. I felt an urge to call out to my housemate to get medical help, but did not. I stripped off most of my clothes in a hurry, turned out the lights and lay down in bed, focusing hard to stay grounded. I was wary of falling asleep for fear of being pulled right back in. It took half an hour before I felt back in control of my mind and comfortable sitting up. My heart rate stayed elevated for well over an hour. I'm still shaken-up.

I'd appreciate any ideas on the cause of this event and have more details if needed.

algebraic,

When I first started Astral projecting I came across a being known as the Hat Man, jet Black with a long coat standing in my doorway to my room, and I was being hailed to follow him, but couldn't move... I was ridged and heavy, felt like I was sinking into the matress and I had a feeling of dread.

This has been reported by many others, there are videos on YouTube about the Hat Man (AKA the watcher).


Link: http://blogs.sacurrent.c...at-man-spooks-residents/

My own experiences: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdNH4X2nz0

You haven't metioned what this creature/being looked like that called to you, was it the same one ?

LoS
Steve

Thanks Steve. I followed your link and watched the video. I didn't visually see this entity that was inviting me up, I only heard him (It was a male energy).

I haven't actually had any success with AP, but have had a couple of brief LD's.

Strangely enough, some minutes ago I just woke up from a semi-lucid dream. The only lucid thing there was... my thoughts. It was definatelly an OBE.
First I traveled with my mind and I saw a human waiting for me... then my mind went into a picture and I found myself in a bus with some characters. I was going somewhere by the bus and a character asked me "So... we are going?", and I answered "Yes". Then they asked me "What were you searching for?", but I never answered.
After a while, we arrived and I was called forward to answer. There was a fairy-looking being, at the size of a chair and it asked me "What did you find on Earth?"... I simply thought a little, I imagined that what I would've said would've been ridicilous, because noone knows my imagination, so I answered "Earth"... because I saw that my imagination lived there. How do I know? Well, on the new year I traded weed for DMT
My dream ended when I was asked "How did you do that electro..."
And now I'm answering you, I did it through Earth, doing it through the internet

As for the panic attack, it was probably because I imagined made weed and DMT to be interrelated.

Hey Nik,

Are you saying you had a similar experience? I had a hard time following your train of thought.

To me it sounds like you were on the verge of an OBE which freaked you out therefor causing a panic attack of some kind.

Atleast you are alot closer to your goal. Staying calm and positive through the paralysis stage is the hardest. Try to stay calm and not let fear get to you. Also try using a small mantra

algebraic,

Here are my best methods for Astral Projection:


Here are my videos on the Pineal glad:
Part 1:
Part 2:


Hope they help.

Steve

Warrior, thanks for the advice. I suppose it was in fact a panic attack. If so, it was my first, and hopefully last. I'd like to have an OBE, but I can't go through that again. Not fun, although I do feel stronger in a way as a result.

Steve, those videos look interesting. I'll watch them tomorrow. Thanks.

I'm saying that weed and DMT are always interconnected. I always find the answers on the internet. Its funny how for 5 days since the new year, it looks to me that I can control your universe through the internet and weed
I mean... its really strange how my first thought always sends me where I am. I can see with my eyes what really happens in the world out there.
Its a battle of names, thats what life is trying to tell you
My friends lead me to the world of weed and the world of DMT. Now I'm repaying them with this - words that you now might not understand, but you will soon.

As for the panic attack from the weed - I believe that weed and DMT worlds have clashed and the panic attack was caused by your beliefs. You were going to see how they battle, but you got panic attack instead Which means that you have to dig more answers from the internet that will answer your questions. Actually thats the grand game: questions and answers.
How many trips on DMT people had to had in order to get the message from the DMT world that tells them "Do not ask questions!". They were planning this for a long time... waiting for you to understand what they knew.
You got your panic attack on weed while I at the same time was entering the DMT world to answer what I did on Earth
You had to be stopped from entering deep in the weed world of thoughts in order to not mess-up my I. Because I was in the DMT world, where I answered what I was doing on Earth, because I showed Earth my time, because I had the Earth's answers, not you. Your time was other, thats why you had to be scared away.

There are always 2 sides... 2 worlds that battle each other every instant, like electricity is... like computers are... worlds are just information stored somewhere, be it in your computer, in your surroundings or in your mind (imagination). Weed and DMT are just a simple representation of what they are - Earth. We are all made by Earth. DMT world is so wacky because it contains so much information at one, that you can't comprehend it. DMT world is the world of the dead words that want to live. Everything happens on Earth... there are no aliens nor other planets. The space out there lies to you, because it lives in the past. There are just words... words that matter.

I just know that sooner or later you will enter the real DMT world (through death) and realize what I did to it

You can't excape from the paradox I'm doing by my words. Even if you read them now, not believing me, they still change your way of thinking - conscious or unconscious (through the means of the words).

I know what my words mean, do you know yours?

Interesting thoughts Nik. In a way I suppose it did seem like a clash of the weed and DMT spaces, though I must reiterate I had not taken any DMT that day.

Admittedly, I still am not fully comprehending you, but I don't agree that I had to be scared away for any particular reason. It was my own decision to abort. I am confident that if I had not strongly resisted the onset of this experience, it would have occurred. In fact I felt I had disappointed whomever was beckoning me.

I've decided to continue my intention of having an OBE or Akashic experience, but am not going to will one to happen while stoned and paranoid. I want to be in a clear, calm meditative state when it happens.

I suppose I just wanted to see if anyone thought I'm mistaking a latent psychological disorder for a mystical experience. During the event, while totally losing free-will, I briefly wondered "Is this schizophrenia?". I don't have any history of PDs, but would like to be fairly confident in my psychological constitution before getting deep into these OBEs or "encounters".

Thanks again.

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I dont believe it to be schizophrenia or any medical condition. You freaked out after feeling the paralysis & high pitched ringing which is the beginning of an OBE. I think freaking out is a quite normal thing after experiencing this.. especially after smoking weed.

It's good to see that you are going to continue trying to achieve this amazing experience. Next time try a small familiar mantra through the paralysis stage that will keep you calm, positive and in warrior mode. There are many techniques.. experiment and try which works best for you

Best of luck!

Warrior,

Thanks for your perspective. Having a mantra is a great idea. I'm going to think of one and write it down. Next time I'll prepare before hand, rather than do it spontaneously. Maybe some relaxing music.

Nik,

You sound like you know what you're talking about. Unfortunately I'm not able to solve your riddles.

what was it exactly that led you to strip and be naked ? is it really hard to be grounded with your clothes on ?

also why are these things happening to non-regular weed smokers ? have you ever wondered if its just some good weed causing this rather than OBE ?

guys its just good weed and paranoia , cmmon

Nik do you know algebraic in person ? for otherwise its not possible that you will be controlling him through celestial space or whatever and causing his panic attack ?

i really hope you are not thinking you are controling other peoples worlds through internet and weed

also weed and Dmt are not really interelated

check out this thread on mental health https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=39886

i say everyone its time to stop thinking bull$#!~ and start paying attention and enjoying the moment

Jin, thanks for the link. I'll give it a look.

A few points: This was not good weed. It is generous to call it mids; many would consider it schwag. I have consumed many pounds of good weed over the course of time, in very large doses and with different ingestion methods. So, despite having been on a long tolerance break, I don't think the term non-regular is applicable to me.

It's true that there was paranoia involved here, but that's nothing new either.

I stripped off my clothes because I was quickly getting extremely uncomfortable and didn't know why. Maybe getting warm due to increased HR.

I have a hard time chalking this up to just weed. As mentioned, during the time leading up to this, I had been making a sincere effort to have an experience of this nature without the use of external substances. The concentration/meditation type thing I was doing when this occurred was the same one I had been doing previously with no success. Out of nowhere I experienced a complete loss of control over my consciousness for a brief period. I had a painful lurching sensation in my brain.

I'm starting to look back on this event with some excitement, in spite of how terrifying it was at the time. I think this is a sign that I'm making real progress in this astral/OBE pursuit.

You should always be weary of how fast weed is consumed. Occasionally, if it's rather fast, blood pressure drops very quickly, which leads to uncomfortable sensations, that are then magnified by worrying on what's going on, and in turn raise your heart rate more than usual. This intense drop in BP often leads to fainting. In your case, you may have lingered more at a few steps before fainting, which could have potentially triggered anxiety/hallucinogenic effects, as well as OBE.

Always smoke in increments, especially if you have been on a break for some time, excessive vasodilation can be a b****.

This sounds very familiar to something I've recently experienced. During my second DMT trip when I came down I remember thinking about comas. I know it sounds strange but I was just experimenting with out there thoughts. I was thinking how it would be strange if in fact this life was sort of coma with my true self somewhere else and all I have to do is wake up.

What happened to me though is that I was laying on my bed, completely sober and not asleep at all or even trying to. Just laying. I remember thinking of such a concept and all of a sudden I had this strange awareness in my minds eye that I could indeed do just that, wake up.

As this awareness hit me it was as though I could feel energy in my body build up and my body did indeed become paralyzed for a moment, it was as if I was about to break though...something, but it didn't have any visuals or anything like that. Just a strange sense of something...else... yet I was able to break free and it actually didn't bother me at all. It felt natural...

Does anyone have anything similar or understand where I'm coming from? I feel like i'm doing a bad job at describing it, its rather hard to.

you jsut smoked too much weed, thats all.

Even if you smoked an ounce a day at some point, you cant use that to judge anything about cannabis if you smoke really infrequently now. Even if you have lowest grade ditch weed. Take 1 smaller hit and then stop. Wait a while and if you need more than smoke more. Cannabis freakouts are extremely unpleasant for me and I dont smoke cannabis daily any longer so for me I only take 1 hit and then stop. Id rather be just a little bit stoned than way too high. I can always take one more hit if I want to..but I cant take back the too many extra hits I might have taken.

Everything you explained is just what cannabis can really do to people when they take a sufficient dose and have no tolerance. I used to smoke all day too..up to an ounce a week. What I would experience back then when I smoked a joint of the best stuff I could find can not even compare to 1 solid hit of lower grade stuff now.

There have been numerous threads on this same subject over the years. It just happens. People stop smoking and loose all tolerance, then later find out they cant smoke like they used to becasue the real effects manifest with the lack of tolerance

Cannabis IS a psychedelic, reguardless of the fact that some people can smoke joints all day long while playing nintendo and barely get more than a fuzzy feeling in their head.