hey id like to challenge this thing where looks like we need to prove our selves worthy to be a full nexus member and have access to post in all threads. What is with this primitive hierarchical structure you guys have here? I see some people with 100+ posts(very respectful people) still a new member and some with only 20 posts that are full members. What is this crap, how about we all equal and all equal rights like pretty much every other forum. This just promotes egotistical judgement of each other and separation. Than the obvious argument to my view is for trolls, but how about instead of this unjust system how about moderators just ban those that are disrespectful, that sounds like a much more senseful and equal structure.

you aint started well have you

Immoral? no. poking a kitten in the eye is immoral, proving yourself to be a useful member of the community before promotion is a good thing and it works very well in this forum.

people who get promoted in 20 posts have made a good contribution or have been recommened by a current full member, the people who have 100 posts have either not made a significant/usefull/pleasnat contribution or may have been missed by the mods, im pretty sure they are busy folks.

you have access to the whole forum you just cant post in certain areas.

forget about "immoral or nonimmoral" not to get caught up in words, but the idea is that yes some people would like to post in these other threads not just be limited to the welcome area. I thought the idea of the nexus is to "learn, share, expand" how can we fully do this if some of us are limited. And like i said this just promotes judgement of eachother. This is unfair and unjust to those that are being missed like you say and shouldnt be about judging to see whos being useful as you say to be worthy of full membership, but sharing connecting loving learning expanding..

The DMT-Nexus is no free speech website and it's completely up to the administrator on how he wishes to run his website. The Traveler has chosen to use the promotion system in order to keep the Nexus free of those with the incorrect mindsets. People with a mindset like they are entitled to anything in the world, or a mindset of "Let's get f'ed up on drugs". But also those who are too lazy to do some of their own research and wish to be spoonfed with knowledge. The Nexus focuses on sharing knowledge and reducing harm for users to an absolute minimum, something that's quite difficult to achieve if the information on the forum is littered with irresponsible use.

The promotion system is also there to keep the quality of the posts of the forums high. You said you seen members with a 100+ posts still being in the nursery, but the amount of posts someone makes is irrelevant. It's about the quality of their posts, how they express themselves, etc. With the promotion system the moderators don't have to constantly read every single post on the forum. The members themselves know how to behave and thusly the forum stays in a quality state. That way the moderators don't have to spend so much time banning those that feel the need to break the rules.

Pointing out that the system is 'unfair' and primitive as your first post isn't going to work in your favor of getting promoted. The quickest way to get promoted is to write an Introduction Essay in the appropriate forum.

However, if you find this system so repulsive, nobody is forcing you to stay. If you don't like what you see, feel free to move on to another forum on the internet where these rules don't apply.

you get out what you put in.

start with a good introduction, spend some time reading the attitude section the wiki and the FAQ, while doing this post a few posts in the welcome area and before you know it you will have full membership. There are plenty of good threads in the welcome area and if you have a relevant point to make about a thread you cant post in then you can make a new thread in open discussion to make this point and a mod will most likely add it to the relevant thread. This has happened before and shows that you want to make a contribution and i would imagine goes down well with the mods.

We also have a new promotion scheme where any full member can vote on your promotion by giving you a thumbs up.

if you dont think that this is a good way to run a forum then you have clearly not spent any time reading through what is available and have not seen the kind of community that this system has produced.

i dont believe many people get missed.

There is no need to challenge, read the welcome message sent to you and you should understand. You mention being equal, but everyone else has to go through it without seeming to care so much. There is so much information here I hardly find the need to reply to a post because I find my question answered in another post. Im sure both of us will be promoted in due time! Welcome

i still havent heard any valid arguments. You describe how to get promoted. Im not asking about how to get promoted, im talking about the hierarchical system that you have to work your way up to be considered or JUDGED worthy. Each of us shouldn't have to earn our right but it should be readily available as is voting. IT should be a free speech website, and sorry but the administrator is not running his website correctly. And again if there's those disrespectful they should be banned, plain and simple. You say those with 100+ posts arent quality? This is hogwash, i read through many threads and many of those people are putting up very respectful and quality posts.

Tupo...your little statement just got you a thumbs up...Exactly want we want for this place...

Trav we really need that facepalm icon.


it is, no one is stopping you from saying anything


yes he does a lousy job its a site full of poor info and horrible people, maybe you could start a better one.

And no one will probably agree with me because it easy to say the things you guys are saying when you already have full membership. And those that do not don't want to risk their probational period. You see besides judgment this promotes the control of what people say instead of being able to just speak our minds and be free, share, learn, connect, love, expand...

no one will agree with you because your wrong. sorry.

Setting aside that you feel the system is unfair. Please tell me why you should not be subject to the same forum rules that I have been?

dmtskywalker,

It's the way it is because it keeps things tidier and more peaceful in the long run.

I see a lot in the areas where people who are only really in for the short-stay will post repeat questions over and over again and it gets messy, this makes the search function less efficient as search-words can become diluted.

Then there's the spammers, trolls, haters and all the other stuff that can make a forum suck.

You have to understand that this process was not put in place just to inflate someone's self-esteem. It was put there out of a decision from several members who agreed that it probably would be a good idea and certainly has worked thus far.

On top of this, the forum administrator is constantly making upgrades to the system to speed up the process of promoting the right people and yes, this does happen rather quickly when it's obvious that a new member has something worth bringing to the table.

So far I see you're trying to make improvements in your own way, but what you mention is a very weak reply to a necessary process that is constantly being picked at and refined. On top of this you haven't even formally introduced yourself in any way, what with just the 4 posts in this thread to your name so...

How about you start over and tell us a little about yourself?

Thanks Cyb!

dmtskywalker, If you are looking for valid arguments, your not going find them. Everyone seems happy with the system and has only probably proven to be useful. Why would they argue? These are just your personal opinions, The website being run correctly is the website administrators concern, not yours and is not at fault because you do not like the way it is run. regardless everyone is treated as an equal and everyone who would like to be apart of the community goes through this process.

If you want to be apart of the community then follow the rules and in due time you will have your full membership, unless you feel that strongly against it, maybe dmt-nexus just isn't for you.

Re-read my post and re-read the PM that you received upon registration. It says it is to stop the influx of members with bad intentions.



I'm speaking on a personal basis as I say that you don't belong here. You clearly do not wish to follow the same rules and standards that are laid out for everybody else. The DMT-Nexus has never been about being a free speech website, it has been about sharing knowledge and learning from each other. And in order to be able to learn from each other, there has to be order in the chaos. The Traveler has done a very fine job at creating a system that runs with relative little friction and it does bring that order.

Claiming that the Nexus should be a free speech place is nonsense. This website is owned, run and paid for by The Traveler himself. He pays the hosting, does most of the development on the software and administration. The rules laid out on the Nexus are there to keep both the users and The Traveler out of jail. There have been cases where site administrators have been arrested because their forums were used to discuss trafficking of drugs and provided sources for illegal substances.

For those members who have 100+ posts, it's unlikely that a moderator missed them as it would be hard to post 100 times in the welcome area without catching attention. These posters often tend to not follow the Attitude section for the Nexus.

Bingo! I'm a noob and I have to agree that this is far and away the most cogent argument for the system. It would be different if this was a knitting forum, or a bowling forum, but its not. There's sensitive info here, which (by the way)is available whether you're promoted or not, but there are certainly people who are dangerous to themselves and others, aka "guilt by association." I was looking at the DMT bust thread, and some ass-hat actually got caught extracting because he was also shooting his neighbors with a pellet gun!!! Enough said!

The quote is VoidTraveler- don't know what it shows as DMTSkyWalker, but whatever...

Well, I see plenty of good reasons for here

No disrespect to anyone and its not that i dont want to follow the rules, im just speaking my opinion on the matter. So without this system there is no order and there is chaos, this is how you feel about forums like http://forums.ayahuasca.com/ or the shroomery? i find those 2 couple of the most loving and peaceful forums on the web, and dont think their lack of this system caused people to be arrested?

If you like those forums so much, no one's asking you to stay. I'm sure there are people who know about DMT there who can answer your questions or where you can start discussions on DMT. Well definitely not on the ayahuasca forums though, as they have their own rules about DMT discussion

[edit]: furthermore, if there's anything that you want to bring up to be discussed but you don't have access to the particular forum yet, you can feel free to talk about whatever matters in the welcome area. No one's stopping you from doing that, and many of the same people that browse the other sub-fora regularly stop in the welcome area anyway.